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Scott launches the all-new Foil RC: faster, lighter, more comfortable

New frame is most aero yet.

On Tuesday, Scott launched the new Foil RC aero bike. After an update to UCI regulations on bike design in 2021, Scott engineers and designers did a retool on their Foil frames. Scott says that the result is one of the fastest bikes the company has ever produced. The new bike has a 1:18 gain over 40 km compared to the previous Foil, and it’s even lighter.

Scott’s offset steerer allows for fully integrated cable routing for both mechanical and electronic shifting, breaking the air as a rider powers forward. Combined with a deeper cross section and higher crown on the fork, thinner seat tube, and chain stays are angled at 10 degrees to force air into the spinning spoke. The bike also includes hidden disc brake calipers to reduce drag.

The all-new Foil RC also has new components from Syncros that help with aerodynamic gains, reduction in weight and a new focus on the comfort factor.

The Foil comes with the new Syncros Duncan SL Aero CFT seatpost. It consists of two parts, with a front carbon fiber load bearing piece that flexes when the road gets bumpy, reducing vibration felt through the saddle. The new Syncros Creston IC SL Aero handlebar has been refined in the wind tunnel to create a slimmed down combo that slices through the wind, with improved comfort and stiffness through adaptive compliance.

The Foil RC comes with 25mm tires up front and 28mm in the rear, with frame clearance for up to 30mm tires.

The new Foil RC comes in 5 different versions: Foil RC Ultimate, Foil RC Pro, Foil RC 10, Foil RC 20 and Foil RC 30.

You can spot the new Foil RC at the Tour de France and Tour de France Femmes. Team DSM is riding the new Scott bike in both the men’s and women’s Tours.

Foil RC Ultimate, $21,000 Foil RC Pro, $14,500 Foil RC 10, $9,400 Foil RC 20 $8,400 Foil RC 30 $6,300

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A closer look at the new Scott Foil: Mitchelton Scott's aero bike for the Tour de France

A new integrated cockpit for Mitchelton-Scott sprinters

The new Scott Foil was launched last week, two days ahead of the Tour de France's slightly-later-than-planned position in the 2020 calendar. 

To the untrained eye, it may look largely similar to the outgoing model - and that's because it is. Besides the integration of cabling at the front end, the frame design remains almost entirely unchanged. However, closer inspection reveals a much improved front end.

There's an all-new, completely integrated cockpit which threads cables through the Syncros handlebar, through the front of the head tube, and into the frame. An all-new fork is used which enables the front brake cable to pass through to the front disc brake and, as a result of tweaked profiles for the fork legs, Scott claims it is now more aerodynamic, with the added benefit of clearance for 30mm tyres. 

Elsewhere, the Foil features thin seatstays for increased comfort and, according to Scott, the wide PF86 bottom bracket combines with updated carbon lay-up to offer an increase in power transfer. 

At the start of 2020, Mitchelton-Scott committed itself to using just one model - the Scott Addict RC - for the season. However, with the launch of the Foil, the team has gone back on its word, bringing the new bike to the Tour de France. As a dedicated aero bike, it's perhaps unsurprising that the bike is being ridden by Mitchelton-Scott's fast men, including Luka Mezgec. 

As with the Scott Addict RC, the new Foil used by the Mitchelton Scott team is committed to disc brakes courtesy of Shimano's Dura-Ace Di2 groupset. Despite the ongoing debate over tubeless, tubular or tube-type tyres, Mitchelton-Scott are sticking with what they know, by using Pirelli tubular tyres wrapped around Shimano Dura-Ace wheels. 

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Scott Foil full bike specifications

Frameset:  Scott Foil

Front brake:  Shimano Dura-Ace R9170 Hydraulic Disc caliper

Rear brake:  Shimano Dura-Ace R9170 Hydraulic Disc caliper

Brake/shift levers: Shimano Dura-Ace Di2 R9170 Hydraulic Disc Brake Dual Control Lever

Front derailleur:  Shimano Dura-Ace Di2 R9150

Rear derailleur:  Shimano Dura-Ace Di2 R9150

Cassette:  Shimano Dura-Ace Di2 R9100 11-30T

Chain:  Shimano Dura-Ace HG901 R9100

Crankset:  Shimano Dura-Ace R9100P with dual-sided power meter

Bottom bracket:  Shimano Dura-Ace

Wheelset :  Shimano Dura-Ace C60 Tubular

Tyres :  Pirelli P-Zero Velo 25c Tubular

Handlebars :  Syncros Creston iC SL integrated bar and stem, 400mm

Bar tape :  Syncros

Stem:  Syncros Creston iC SL

Pedals :  Shimano Dura-Ace R9100

Saddle :  Syncros Tofino 1.0

Seatpost :  Syncros Duncan SL Aero

Bottle cages:  Tacx Ciro

Cycling computer :  Garmin Edge 1030 Plus

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Die Schweizer schicken in diesen Test die günstigste Variante des Aero-Modells Foil, das seine gute Aerodynamik bereits im Windkanaltest bewiesen hat ( TOUR 2/2012-> ). Trotz einfacherer Carbonfasern als beim Top-Modell ist der Rahmen leicht und fahrstabil. Stimmig auch die Detaillösungen: Die Anschläge für die innenliegenden Züge sind vorbildlich integriert, die smarte Sattelstützenklemmung eine Augenweide. Gegen die Ausstattung mit Shimanos kompletter 105-Gruppe und gut gemachten Anbauteilen der Scott-Eigenmarke Synchros ist wenig zu sagen. Den Ausschlag für das mäßige Testergebnis geben die einfachen Laufräder, die gegenüber dem Niveau des Rahmens krass abfallen. Interessant kann das Rad trotzdem sein: Wer schon Aero-Laufräder besitzt oder dazu erwirbt, erhält hier eine hervorragende Basis für ein aerodynamisch überlegenes Paket.

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AUSSTATTUNG Lenklager Ritchey, oben 1-1/8, unten 1-1/4 Zoll Bremsen/Schaltung/Tretlager Shimano 105 (50/34 Z., Press-Fit) Laufräder/Reifen Shimano R500/Continental Ultra Race Lenker/Vorbau Synchros/Synchros Sattel/-stütze Synchros/Ritchey Foil (Aero-Profil)

The Scott Foil is one of the most eagerly awaited bikes of the year. Prototypes were first seen at the 2010 Tour de France , but when Specialized launched the Venge a month ago Scott were almost foiled before they’d started.

The original project was codenamed F01. Scott have since found an L down the back of the sofa and the production bike is called the Foil, as in airfoil. The top tube graphic still says F01L, though, which looks like a fencer’s personalised numberplate. That aside, it’s a great looking bike – more so than in pictures.

We managed to wrangle a ride on aerodynamicist Simon Smart's bike. The spec was similar to the top-end (€9,500) Foil Premium production model (pictured), with Shimano Dura-Ace Di2. Differences included prototype ENVE Composites wheels instead of Zipp 404s, and an SRM power meter.

Ride & handling: Fast and free from compromise

It’s almost impossible to gauge a bike’s aerodynamics by feel – there are far too many variables involved – but this is definitely a fast bike. It’s stiff too, with no sensation of flex even when sprinting up short climbs out of the saddle and pulling hard on the drops.

We rode the Scott in Lotto-win spec, with Di2 and deep-section carbon wheels, and we took one of our own bikes along for direct comparison – a very stiff and light Trigon RQC-29 , which was fitted with identical wheels to create a fair comparison.

Repeatedly jumping from one to the other established that the Foil definitely provides an advantage and wastes none of your effort. It isn’t especially comfortable but it filters out the worst of the road surface irregularities.

Handling is surprisingly calm for a pro tool, with the sort of reassuring stability you might expect from a sportive bike. We were told that stability at high speeds, especially in a sprint, was deemed more important by Scott's sponsored riders than extreme agility.

Quick changes of direction require slightly more input than you might be used to but it takes no time at all to adapt. The payoff is when you reach a fast corner and the Foil rails around it with complete composure.

We’ve ridden the Cervélo S3 a fair bit and spent a lot of time on Felt’s AR1. Like the Scott, both give you that slight feeling of having good legs, with 20mph speeds on the flat seeming easier to maintain than normal.

Scott claim that the Foil is the most slippery of the three but even their data suggests that it’s by such a minimal amount that it could only be measured in a wind tunnel. All three claim to save you in the region of 20 watts at 40kph (24mph). There are crucial differences though.

Until now, making a bike aero has always necessitated compromising either stiffness, weight or comfort, and sometimes all three. In contrast, the Foil is around 200g lighter than the S3, and also stiffer, according to Scott.

A more tangible benefit is the handling. When we tested the Cervélo against other superbikes it lost out for being too aggressive. The Foil marginally outperforms the S3 in the lab and also makes that performance usable to more riders.

We rode a Felt AR1 the day after the Foil. The frame is almost 400g heavier and, while far from being an overcooked noodle, it’s noticeably less stiff when pedalling hard. The next big showdown will be with the Venge.

While the timing looked bad to start with, Scott may end up being grateful to Specialized for underlining a few points for them. Specialized admit that the Venge is both heavier and less stiff than their non-aero Tarmac SL3 , mitigating this by stating that the bike is aimed at ‘certain races, racers and conditions’.

In contrast, Scott set out to build an aero road bike for every day and every race, and claim to have avoided such compromises. On the basis of our first ride, they seem to have succeeded. Even more significantly, the Scott Foil may be the tipping point that drives all manufacturers to embrace the aero road bike. The future’s looking fast.

Frame: Stiff and light, with new aero shapes

Aero road bikes are still in their infancy and so far there's little agreement over what sacrifices can be made in terms of stiffness and weight in order to benefit aerodynamics. Scott have a unique answer – none. Their engineers' remit was that the Foil had to be as light and as stiff as Scott's flagship Addict road bike while also being as aero as possible.

To achieve this, Scott turned to Simon Smart of Smart Aero Technology, the former F1 aerodynamicist who designed the very successful Scott Plasma 3 time trial bike. Over 100 hours of development time was spent in the Mercedes Grand Prix wind tunnel (no doubt Specialized now feel trumped in the game of F1 tie-in one-upmanship).

The solution arrived at by Smart and Scott is the Foil’s virtual airfoil tube shapes, which at first glance don’t even look aero because they're unlike the NACA (National Advisory Committee for Aeronautics, the American agency that pioneered airfoil design from 1915-1958 and was superseded by NASA) profiles used in other frames and many wheels.

As a virtual airfoil it has part of the shape, with a thinner leading edge, but is cut off at the back at almost its widest point. It works because the air continues in the flow pattern created by the front of the tube. This shouldn’t be confused with a Kamm Tail, which tapers significantly towards the back but is cut off before reaching a point.

Smart’s F1 experience specifically involved designing exposed suspension components that had to be both functional and aerodynamic. The virtual airfoil shape enables a larger tube that can be made as light and as stiff as a non-aero tube. Consequently, the Foil frame is claimed to weigh just 840g, only 40g more than the Addict and actually beating it for stiffness.

Test bike spec

• Frameset: Scott Foil
• Groupset: Shimano Di2
• Crankset: FSA Gossamer w/ SRM power meter
• Wheelset: ENVE Composites deep-section prototype
• Cockpit: PRO Vibe carbon
• Saddle: Fizik Arione

Scott's aerodynamicist, Simon Smart, with his prototype Foil

Designer says...

Ex-Formula One aerodynamicist Simon Smart worked with Scott to design the Foil. Procycling magazine spoke to him last summer when the bike was unveiled at the Tour de France...

What can you tell us about the F01 [the development name for the Foil]?

I think we all had our own perceptions on that trade-off between aero and structural. Was the bike meant to be closer to a Plasma 3 or an Addict? As an aerodynamicist I naturally had a picture of a slightly beefier Plasma 3. Determining the initial design brief was actually the hardest part of the project and took a long time.

With the help of Lars Teutenberg from Highroad and using their SRM data from races, we did extensive analysis in terms of weighting the metrics (stiffness, weight, aerodynamics), and considered how often the riders actually would use the bike. It was pointless developing something that would only come out occasionally. In the end the answer was obvious – we keep the weight and stiffness the same as the Addict and then improve the aero as much as possible.

Smart went on to say that Team HTC-Columbia would test the concept under extreme conditions, and the riders' feedback would shape the production bike.

Was there a stiffness target to maintain?

Good question. The Addict is actually too light for the UCI weight limit, so the target for Scott was a 10 percent improvement in stiffness for a five percent increase in weight.

What was the hardest element to get right?

Without a doubt, deriving a tube shape which is very wide for stiffness and at the same time aerodynamic, the ‘holy grail’. Luckily, I had spent far too long in Formula One developing aerodynamic wishbone sections so had a lot of past experience.

Did you have a benchmark bike?

The Addict RC is one of the best road frames on the market, with great weight/stiffness and ride quality. So that gave us a good benchmark for mechanical properties. Aerodynamically, we couldn’t really see another aero road frame that pitched aero/weight/stiffness at the same level.

We do all our aero testing with a mannequin or rider, otherwise the results can be very misleading. This makes it tricky to specify the true drag reduction of the frame only. I really can’t understand the relevance of the bike-only testing that goes on in the industry. The consumer doesn’t need to know how much drag a bare saddle and handlebars give, what matters is the drag consumption when the bike is ridden.

Does the shape need to consider that the bike will always have water bottles?

Absolutely, all our development was done with two bottle cages and two water bottles. You'll see that some aero road bikes have sacrificed weight and stiffness on the down tube and seat tube in order to reduce drag, only to find that most of the advantage is negated when the bottles are fitted.

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Scott Foil 2021: Beautiful new bike receives completely integrated cable routing

Newly updated Scott Foil gets a completely integrated front-end

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Scott has launched an updated Scott Foil race bike, with a specific focus on front-end integration.

The new bike, launched ahead of the 2020 Tour de France , has received a completely new cockpit, including fork, headset and handlebar, allowing for neat internal cable routing for both mechanical and electronic shifting.

Images provided by Scott suggest that the bike's cables will run down the front of the bike's steerer, before routing in the down tube or popping out of the fork just above the front brake calliper.

The internal cable routing is facilitated through the use of the Synchros Creston IC SL one piece bar and stem, which offers total internal cable routing. It's the same bar that's used on the Scott Addict RC race bike, and which is, according to Scott, optimised for greater comfort.

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Although there's no major re-design - the bike still uses Scott's F01 aero design - the fork has been tweaked to better incorporate the internal cables and to reduce drag further. The bike is also now able to accommodate up to 30mm tyres as a result of the changes.

Elsewhere, the Foil features thin seatstays to add comfort that increase vertical compliance. Meanwhile, a wide PF86 bottom bracket allows for a wider connection with the down tube, and when coupled with a Scott's carbon lay-up results in a stiffer bottom bracket, according to Scott.

With the new bike debuting just in time, it'll be interesting to see what Mitchelton-Scott's fast-man Luka Mezgec and the rest of the team make of it.

Revealed in a dazzling blue and purple colour scheme, the new Foil is certainly a head turner. At the moment however, we've no information on range or prices, but we'll be sure to update this page as soon as we do.

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Check out the WorldTour sprint-winning Scott Foil RC aero road bike

We've already seen plenty of the Scott Foil RC at the WorldTour races - this is the bike that Charlotte Kool sprinted to stage win at the opening stage of the Women’s UAE Tour, and the men’s team is surely going to offer us more close-ups and demonstrations of the Foil's abilities at the Men's UAE Tour that is about to kick off tomorrow.

This pro bike is also the very same that Aaron reviewed recently. But now, let's have a closer look at what makes this pro aero bike so exceptional. 

Scott has been working with Team DSM for a couple of years now and the team is the only WorldTour team riding the Swiss brand's designs, including the all-new Foil RC, which the team raced for the first time in 2022. Scott's bikes are probably partially responsible for the team's successes, which since 2021 include multiple Grand Tour stage wins and wearing the first yellow jersey at the inaugural Tour de France Femmes.

> Best aero road bikes 2023 — wind-cheating bikes with an extra turn of speed

The new Foil RC comes with a stunning, sophisticated colourway that seems to neatly match DSM's team colours, and has been designed around three aspects: "aero, lightweight and comfort". It's what Scott calls the next evolution of aero bikes, made for WorldTour sprinters, attackers and breakaway riders, and is supposedly the fastest Scott bike out there.

The speediness is made possible by the aero frame with dropped seat stays, but also the advanced components. 

One of the most innovative features of the Foil is their patented Syncros Duncan SL Aero CFT seatpost. It should offer comfort on light gravel and cobbles alike, and simultaneously ensure that you're delivering maximum power through the pedals because you're not bouncing around on your saddle. It's made of two parts; the front is a flexible carbon fibre piece that dampens any bumps and the rear can be taken apart, so to say, and you can slot in a rear light that maintains the super aero qualities of the post. 

> One bike to rule them all: why lightweight aero bikes are now THE essential race weapon

Team DSM is partners with Shimano, so it is no surprise that the Foil here is equipped with a Dura-Ace Di2 groupset and Shimano wheels, and that's what consumers can also get if they can afford to buy the Foil RC Pro model.

The Dura-Ace wheels are rolling on Vittoria tyres and although the pros likely change their tyre widths to suit the race conditions, the Foil RC Pro that is available for consumers comes with a 26mm tyre at the front and 28m at the back. 

The cockpit on the Foil is a beautifully integrated (and perhaps somewhat of a mechanics nightmare) Syncros Creston iC SL Aero that weighs a mere 335g - and you can see DSM is riding with Wahoo. Still, the Aero computer mount can take any cycling computer with the right insert. 

And the weight? Scott says the bike weighs 7.32kg - in what size, we don't know but that is still a very lightweight bike. Buying one of them will make your pockets lighter, too, as the Foil RC Pro model retails for £10,499. 

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Zvenigorod's most famous sight is the Savvino-Storozhevsky Monastery, which was founded in 1398 by the monk Savva from the Troitse-Sergieva Lavra, at the invitation and with the support of Prince Yury Dmitrievich of Zvenigorod. Savva was later canonised as St Sabbas (Savva) of Storozhev. The monastery late flourished under the reign of Tsar Alexis, who chose the monastery as his family church and often went on pilgrimage there and made lots of donations to it. Most of the monastery’s buildings date from this time. The monastery is heavily fortified with thick walls and six towers, the most impressive of which is the Krasny Tower which also serves as the eastern entrance. The monastery was closed in 1918 and only reopened in 1995. In 1998 Patriarch Alexius II took part in a service to return the relics of St Sabbas to the monastery. Today the monastery has the status of a stauropegic monastery, which is second in status to a lavra. In addition to being a working monastery, it also holds the Zvenigorod Historical, Architectural and Art Museum.

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Located near the main entrance is the monastery's belfry which is perhaps the calling card of the monastery due to its uniqueness. It was built in the 1650s and the St Sergius of Radonezh’s Church was opened on the middle tier in the mid-17th century, although it was originally dedicated to the Trinity. The belfry's 35-tonne Great Bladgovestny Bell fell in 1941 and was only restored and returned in 2003. Attached to the belfry is a large refectory and the Transfiguration Church, both of which were built on the orders of Tsar Alexis in the 1650s.  

To the left of the belfry is another, smaller, refectory which is attached to the Trinity Gate-Church, which was also constructed in the 1650s on the orders of Tsar Alexis who made it his own family church. The church is elaborately decorated with colourful trims and underneath the archway is a beautiful 19th century fresco.

Nativity of Virgin Mary Cathedral

The Nativity of Virgin Mary Cathedral is the oldest building in the monastery and among the oldest buildings in the Moscow Region. It was built between 1404 and 1405 during the lifetime of St Sabbas and using the funds of Prince Yury of Zvenigorod. The white-stone cathedral is a standard four-pillar design with a single golden dome. After the death of St Sabbas he was interred in the cathedral and a new altar dedicated to him was added.

Under the reign of Tsar Alexis the cathedral was decorated with frescoes by Stepan Ryazanets, some of which remain today. Tsar Alexis also presented the cathedral with a five-tier iconostasis, the top row of icons have been preserved.

Tsaritsa's Chambers

The Nativity of Virgin Mary Cathedral is located between the Tsaritsa's Chambers of the left and the Palace of Tsar Alexis on the right. The Tsaritsa's Chambers were built in the mid-17th century for the wife of Tsar Alexey - Tsaritsa Maria Ilinichna Miloskavskaya. The design of the building is influenced by the ancient Russian architectural style. Is prettier than the Tsar's chambers opposite, being red in colour with elaborately decorated window frames and entrance.

At present the Tsaritsa's Chambers houses the Zvenigorod Historical, Architectural and Art Museum. Among its displays is an accurate recreation of the interior of a noble lady's chambers including furniture, decorations and a decorated tiled oven, and an exhibition on the history of Zvenigorod and the monastery.

Palace of Tsar Alexis

The Palace of Tsar Alexis was built in the 1650s and is now one of the best surviving examples of non-religious architecture of that era. It was built especially for Tsar Alexis who often visited the monastery on religious pilgrimages. Its most striking feature is its pretty row of nine chimney spouts which resemble towers.

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‘Hacks’ Creators on That Finale Twist and Deborah and Ava’s Relationship: ‘It’s Arousing That She Has a Worthy Opponent’

By Daniel D'Addario

Daniel D'Addario

Chief TV Critic

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SPOILER ALERT: This interview contains spoilers from “Bulletproof,” the Season 3 finale of “ Hacks ,” now streaming on Max .

“Hacks” spent its third season bringing its two lead characters back together, and enmeshing them more thoroughly in each other’s careers and lives. And in the season finale, it bound them together for the foreseeable future — all while ensuring that their next steps together will be colored by blackmail, betrayal, and all the other elements of interpersonal comedy.

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But Ava isn’t done yet. She goes on to blackmail Deborah, promising to expose the fact of her having slept with the head of the network before getting her new job. And Deborah, thus forced to work with a colleague she now knows would gladly threaten her humiliation in order to get what she wants, ends the season with everything she wanted: except for stability with Ava.

I was struck by the way that the fighting over Ava’s role in Deborah’s life seemed like how these characters express a complicated love for each other.

Paul W. Downs: We always talk about their relationship being one step forward, two steps back. As they evolve, they’re going to backslide. People can make incremental change, but they don’t completely change who they are. Both of them think they’re doing right by the other person. Deborah thinks, “We have to get this show to work, so sit down and let’s figure it out.” Ava is like, “It will work better because I do it.” They both are being a little bit selfish. They both have learned moves from the other person.

But in the end, it’s their love language. They’re forced to be together — their destinies are intertwined. Because they’re after the same thing, which is dignity. 

Lucia Aniello: Especially the idea that Ava has been studying Deborah through the seasons, and understands how Deborah operates and how she doesn’t ask for respect — she takes respect. And in that fight scene, it’s almost like Deborah is subconsciously, subliminally telling her, “If you want this, you have to go get it.”

It recalled the Season 2 finale of “Succession,” when Kendall blows his father up on live TV and his father watches with a smile. It’s like he has a newfound respect for his son — and the same felt true of Deborah. 

Downs: We definitely will take “Succession.” But we’ve been trying to bake that in. They are mirror images of each other. They found the other half of the coin in each other. While it is infuriating and really scary — because what will this do to the foundation of the relationship? — Deborah is lit up by it. 

Jen Statsky: She didn’t know Ava had it in her until that very moment. It’s a shock, and for lack of a better term, it’s a turn-on for Deborah.

Aniello: I was going to say — it’s arousing! 

Statsky: It’s arousing that she has a worthy opponent. I don’t think Deborah ever feels like she has a worthy opponent. 

Was there ever a world in which Deborah wasn’t going to get the late-night chair? 

Downs: She was always going to get it. 

Aniello: The big thing was how to justify it. If that happened tomorrow, we would be surprised if a 70-year-old woman was suddenly a late-night host. But we felt like, we’ve set up Deborah at the height of her career. And if there was ever going to be a moment, this is it. That’s the situation — how do we make sure it feels real? She would get it, but how do we make sure it feels like something that could actually happen in the realm of existence in our society? 

Aniello: But it was important for us to have a formidable foil in Jack Danby. Because that is who would get it, right? The good-looking guy who’s six-foot-five. We have to take him down, we have to go to the affiliates. We have to go to “Talk Stoop,” do all the things — because she is shameless. So if she is shameless, and she is willing to sell herself, let’s watch her do that. 

Statsky: We always like that — even though Deborah is a larger-than-life character — we want the show to always feel grounded. So we wanted to make sure that it felt like a grounded, real way that could happen in our entertainment industry. We wanted to make sure that it felt earned and real, because we never want the show to feel like a fantasy. 

It’s funny we ended up here, given that the second-season finale, when Deborah fired Ava, felt to many viewers like a potential series ender. Getting them back together was an obvious challenge. 

Downs: We did talk about the show for many years before we pitched it, and we did have the math of what we wanted the series to look like. That said, we don’t always have the specifics of exactly how to get them back together. That was something we had to challenge ourselves to figure out — we’d painted ourselves into a corner and had to figure out exactly the ways in which we did the details. But for us, it was never going to be a series finale.

Aniello: We didn’t want to get them back together, and then forget about it, and it’s over. Deborah being like, “I need you to come back,” and Ava saying, “OK, well, I need to know that this will result in something for our relationship.” But in the end, Ava is like, “I gave up all that…”

The way they got back together is now coming to roost in the finale. For us, it felt like making sure that splitting them up wasn’t just a MacGuffin. I wanted to make sure that [splitting up] meant something for the relationship that grew as the season went on. 

Touching on other events late in the season, it interested me that the penultimate episode took place on a college campus, and involved conversations about “cancel culture.” I’d been wondering if that particular perspective on comedy would ever enter the show. 

Downs: It was a tall order to do, and it was very carefully thought about. We’ve had the idea for the episode since Season 1. 

Aniello: It was in the original pitch. 

An interesting element of the season was the introduction of Deborah’s sister Kathy, played by J. Smith-Cameron. I’d kind of assumed she’d be like Maris Crane on “Frasier” and never be seen. 

Downs: It was so fun to open the door and see her. 

Statsky: We’re always trying to make sure we’re pushing all of our characters to evolve. For Deborah to keep growing and evolving, she had to confront this thing. If you’re an artist, especially a comedian, you need to be honest to yourself first. And one thing Ava has pushed Deborah to do over three seasons is to be a more honest version of herself. And to do that, she would eventually have to confront Kathy and this relationship. It’s obviously something that has stayed with her for 50 years. We always were going to have her. 

Downs: The how and when was a high-wire act. There is a mystique to her — it is the Maris thing. When do we do it? There’s so much happening this season. But the storytelling dictated that we do this, with D.J. and her pregnancy. The rekindling and the loss of her sister was going to be one of the things that drove her to what she does in the finale. 

Statsky: Finally having this conversation with Kathy, it took us three seasons to earn these moments. Deborah needed to earn it with her evolution, and as a show we needed to earn it with our audience.

Downs: We needed the actor to be available too. 

Statsky: We needed another successful HBO show to end. 

This interview has been edited and condensed.

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