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Mark Oshiro previews ‘The Sun and the Star’ book tour, reflects on collaboration with Rick Riordan

With the Sun and the Star book tour right around the corner, we spoke with Mark Oshiro about collaborating with Rick Riordan and if anyone’s guessed what’ll happen in Nico di Angelo’s first solo novel.

I recently had a chance to interview Mark Oshiro about their latest novel, Into the light , a young adult thriller that centers on a transracial adoptee and the difficulty he faces when he’s forced to strike out on his own. Read my full Into the Light book review .

Of course, as a major Percy Jackson fan, I couldn’t walk away from my chat with Mark without talking about their collaboration with Rick Riordan on The Sun and the Star: A Nico di Angelo Adventure . Nico has been a fan-favorite character for years, and readers were ecstatic to learn that he’d be getting his own book.

You can listen to the Sun and the Star potion of the Mark Oshiro interview on Prophecy Radio: A Percy Jackson Podcast episode #77 . This is a continuation of the Into the Light interview, and the subsequent transcription below has been edited for clarity.

The Sun and the Star hits store shelves on May 2, 2023, and both Rick and Mark will be in attendance for the book tour, from May 2-6, across the United States. I made sure to ask Mark what we can expect, what their overall experience has been like, and what they’re most excited to do once the book has been published.

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And speaking about other dreams coming true, I have to ask about The Sun and the Star .

Well, hold on. Because here’s the wild part about this. Because someone asked me this. This kid at a school visit not too long ago was like, ‘Oh, was writing Percy Jackson a dream come true?’ And I was like, ‘No, because none of us ever thought it was ever gonna be a thing!’ So no, that’s not a dream I ever entertained at all. I mean, it has become very dream-like. I certainly do not think it’s real. Every day, I’m like, no, this is an extremely long prank that will be revealed on May 2.

That would be so devastating.

But I would also respect that. Are you kidding? I would be like, good job. Because I did write the book. So it’s not like I fake-wrote the book. Oh my God. I would be like, you know what? You earned it. Good job.

When it was announced, I remember watching the live stream of Rick’s Daughter of the Deep book tour, and him announcing you as his co-author, and I was like… Wait, wait, wait. It took so long to actually process it, but I really hope that it’s not a long con trick because that would make me so sad.

Oh, it’s very not. As many pieces as are a part of this thing? Oh God. I was so nervous during that livestream because I was just there watching it, but I knew that’s when the announcement [would happen], and I mean, you know the Percy Jackson fandom. There are few fandoms as unhinged and funny as they are, and my phone overheated twice that night. I remember it was in the evening, like it was a Barnes and Noble event, maybe, or something like that, and I had to turn my phone off twice because of Percy Jackson fans sending me memes. And being so funny. I think my header on Twitter is one of those reactions.

Yep, I just saw it again the other day, and I was laughing at it. I remember all of those things happening, and it was just so fun to watch.

Yeah, and it has been so fun getting to interact with Percy Jackson fans who have just opened their arms. I think because, at the core of it, what I hope is happening here is they’re like, ‘Oh, they’re one of us.’ Like, this person is clearly, you know, sh*t-posting their way through life, but also deeply cares about these characters and the series or whatnot. And so, I always like to be right in the middle road of like, ‘I do deeply care about this, but I will also make a joke about literally anything in the world,’ and I feel like, if you’re a Percy Jackson stan, that’s who you are. You care about the series so much, but it’s okay to make fun of things. It’s okay to make fun of ourselves. Like, we have a sense of humor about it, and I really like that about the fandom. So, it has been deeply surreal.

And, of course, you’re gonna be meeting a lot of those fans in person on the tour. I’m so excited to see what you and Rick talk about. Rick’s slideshows are legendary. They’re always so funny.

You have no idea. The basic thing has been written. Oh God. I can literally look at—I don’t want to look. I almost want to be—no. [Struggles internally] We are going to practice it, because this is the first time we’re both doing things to it. There are so many fun photos in it, and I think it might be—because I’ve seen a few of the slideshows over the years—I think it might be my favorite slideshow. I’m biased, I know. But the sheer chaos of it is so good. And I really love this! I love that Rick and his team have also opened their arms to me, and they’re like, you’re gonna be part of this wild, wacky process, and we want to make sure you feel like you are an even part of it as well. I mean, even from the beginning… I haven’t really talked about this, and I’d love to talk about it with you, which is that, even from the beginning, Rick was like, ‘Your name has to be on the book the same size as mine. It has to be on the spine. You are getting paid the same as me. Everything is split down the middle. You are going to be part of [it].’ Every decision made about the book, I am involved in all of them. It’s like, sometimes I get an email that’s like, ‘Oh, you know, we want your approval on this thing.’ And I’m like, ‘Do you really want my approval? Like, are you sure?’ And they do care. And it’s so genuine, and it has made my love for this series and these people grow a million times more than it already was. You know, I always tell people, in this past two years since working with the team, they walk the walk, they talk the talk. It is not a facade. They are genuinely, deeply caring, very thoughtful people, and I’m just really, really excited just for y’all to see what we did.

I mean, as a fan, that’s so important too, just knowing that it’s such a collaborative process and all of that.

And it’s been that way from the beginning, like no question at all. I’m pretty sure that was said in the first meeting. From the beginning.

You had an Instagram live a while ago where you talked about how you hadn’t seen any fans correctly guess what’s going to happen in this book, and I think everyone’s taken that as a challenge.

And they’re still wrong. No one’s right. Not one even remotely close. One person has guessed *a* thing, but it’s like, 25 percent. And you have to understand, when I did the audition, and I have talked about this… Well, I hope I talked about it publicly. If not, you’re the first person to know. Because I still had to audition for the project. I got the outline for the whole book. And I would say the outline is more like, I don’t know, 80 to 90 of what actually made it in. It didn’t change all that much. It’s all the stuff in between that sort of changed, and we both got to make up things. But I remember reading it and just being like, I would have never guessed that in a million years. Like, never in a billion, million, million, quadrillion years. That’s the fun thing about it—it is getting to see Rick’s brain work and watching a Percy Jackson book literally be built from the ground up. Just as a writer, from a craft perspective, I was like, ‘This is incredible.’ So currently, no, y’all. Y’all are still wrong. Completely wrong about this book. I think it’s going to be really exciting to see reactions. Like, I’m really excited.

Related: Everything we know about ‘The Sun and the Star’ by Rick Riordan and Mark Oshiro

If I don’t see you in Boston, I am going to try to set up an interview on the podcast specifically for The Sun and the Star , so then you have to come back and we can just gush about Percy Jackson.

Yes, and I can finally talk spoilers. This is still recording, so I’ll say this [on record]. You know, I think that part is the thing I’m really excited to do, is to actually be able to [talk spoilers]. Like, I can talk about Into the Light to some extent in an interview. I am actually a little worried about how to talk about The Sun and the Star without spoiling things, and I just want to talk about all the nerdy things that I got to put in there. The nerdy things that Rick got to put in there. I think it’s going to be really fun to see people try to guess who came up with what because I think you’re all going to be wrong about that too. And I’m really, really, really excited to talk about that stuff.

‘The Sun and the Star’ publishes on May 2, 2023.

Pre-order The Sun and the Star by Rick Riordan and Mark Oshiro from Disney Books , Bookshop.org , Book Depository , or Amazon . You can also add it to your Goodreads list .

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We at Read Riordan were lucky enough to catch one of Rick and Mark’s live tour events, and our ears are still ringing from all the fans screaming around us. For those of you who weren’t able to attend one, here’s a quick recap:

The evening started with an audience warm-up video (though no warm-up was actually required—everyone was pretty pumped already) of Rick and Mark playing Password with words from The Sun and the Star . We can’t say either one was an expert at giving or receiving clues, but it was fun to see them collaborating. Then the bookseller host introduced Mark, who walked out to a loud ovation. Rick came out next, and the place went wild.

Rick’s editor, who was supposed to moderate the coauthors’ conversation, was replaced at the last minute by a surprise guest: Gorgyra, a nymph visiting from the Underworld. She was there because, as she put it, “She had questions, lots of questions.” She was so determined to get answers that she threatened to hold the authors captive until she was satisfied.

Gorgyra probed Rick about why he chose to write The Sun and the Star with another author, and why he chose Mark Oshiro specifically. Mark talked about how they have been a writer since childhood—at 9 they wrote Goosebumps fan fiction and entitled it Stay Out of the Closet —and as a teen they went through a goth phase that would have made Nico proud. More important, they were well-versed in the Percy Jackson universe, having read the entire saga several times and studied it (They showed a photo of their books color-coded it with sticky notes). And, as a queer person, Mark always had a special fondness for Nico. “He’s my son,” Oshiro said.

Gorgyra also ferreted out that Rick wrote the original outline of the story and shared it with Mark, who added to it with Rick and Becky Riordan’s input and approval. Mark wrote the first draft; Rick wrote the second, and they went back and forth on the final version until they lost track of who wrote what. Mark was amazed by how much freedom they had to explore the canon, and Rick appreciated the emotional depth that Mark brought to the characters. Mark said that the hardest part was writing Will, because they didn’t know the demigod son of Apollo as well as Nico.

Both Rick and Mark wanted to explore the idea that relationships work best when the two parties respect the other person enough to accept them for who they are, and that it is crucial to hang in there even in the most challenging times.

Some behind-the-scenes work was shared. For instance, the audience was treated to a peek at an early version of the journey map on the endpapers that Mark drew as reference for the artist. Let’s just say that Mark won’t be attempting illustration again anytime soon.

Finally, Gorgyra asked each author her most burning question of all: Which was their favorite part of the book? Rick is partial to the troglodytes and the society they created in the Underworld. As for Mark, what they enjoyed most was writing passages to try to impress Rick and to express their love for the Percy Jackson world and gratitude for the opportunity to play in it.

Aww. Nothing could top that. We are happy to report that Gorgyra’s heart was warmed enough to allow both authors to leave the stage—to thunderous applause, of course. Which is a good thing, because they had several more days of events to go!

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Rick Riordan unveils the cover for Percy Jackson and the Chalice of the Gods , teases new adventure

The author wrote a new book about his original demigod protagonist at the same time he was working on a Disney+ adaptation.

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Fans of Percy Jackson have a lot to look forward to in the near future. A TV adaptation of Rick Riordan 's beloved mythology series is currently in postproduction at Disney+, but there are new books on the way as well. The Sun and the Star , which Riordan co-wrote with Mark Oshiro, is out later this year and will tell a new story about demigod couple Nico DiAngelo and Will Solace .

In addition, Riordan will be checking back in with his original protagonist. Percy Jackson and the Olympians: The Chalice of the Gods is also due this year, telling a new tale about the son of Poseidon after the events of the initial five-book series.

EW caught up with Riordan to preview Percy's upcoming adventure. Check out the conversation below, along with the exclusive reveal of the cover for Chalice of the Gods .

ENTERTAINMENT WEEKLY: Obviously you've been working on the new Percy Jackson show at Disney for a little while, and I assume a lot of that has been reconnecting with the beginnings of Percy's story and figuring out how to approach The Lightning Thief in this new way. So what inspired you to tell a new Percy story at the same time that you're revisiting his beginnings?

RICK RIORDAN: The idea for Chalice of the Gods actually started out when we were looking at the adaptation process again, and was kind of my idea to sort of pitch something that might be of interest to Disney overall as a way of saying, "Well, what we could do is if you guys are open to doing a new TV show, maybe I could revisit Percy and do a new Percy book for the first time in umpteen number of years."

Turns out I didn't need that as a pitch, but as we were going through the TV show process, I started, as you say, reconnecting with the characters and getting to know them all over again. And we started talking about what publishing could do to support the TV show. I thought back to the ideas that I had pitched for new Percy books, and that had kind of been stewing on the back burner there for a while, and it just felt like the right time. It felt like the right thing to do to celebrate Percy Jackson coming home to a new adaptation. And the story was just fun. I like the idea that Percy has a day-in-the-life adventure, and it's not the world is at stake.

We can all relate to that situation: "Oh Lord, I have to apply to college now." It's something I've been through with my kids, and I think especially a lot of the older readers might enjoy that. So it's been a lot of fun.

So this is an idea that had occurred to you over the years, but the timing wasn't right as you were caught up in other projects?

Yeah. I mean, it just didn't seem like the timing was right until all the cogs and the wheels kind of turned the same direction. It was very interesting working on the Chalice of the Gods while also working on The Lightning Thief as a TV season, because one informed the other. When my wife, Becky — who is always my first editor and my first reader — first read parts of Chalice of the Gods for me, she said, "It's amazing how much of the TV show is in this new book." Not content-wise, but in terms of voice and just little nuances that we snuck into the TV show that are informing the new book with Percy. So yeah, it's been a great amount of fun to do both at the same time.

You mentioned that the book will be following him in the college application process. How has Percy changed or grown since the last time we saw him on the page?

Well, the poor guy's still 17. I've stuck him in time. So he can't graduate high school, at least not yet. He's starting his senior year. This is after The Heroes of Olympus and before The Trials of Apollo . So it's his fall semester, senior year, new high school again. He and Annabeth and Grover are just trying to be New York kids and enjoy being seniors, but also avoiding the monster attacks. And the idea for him is that if he can just get through high school, statistically speaking, it gets a lot better for demigods, because by then they're a little too old and a little too powerful for monsters to be attacking every week. So they could conceivably have a normal adulthood, and that would be awesome. But when you're a demigod, you never take anything for granted.

So he's older and wiser, to a point. He has a lot of experience to draw on. He's not the new demigod on the block anymore, but he still has that same snarky sense of humor. The Percy Jackson voice was the easiest thing for me to get back into. It's just so near and dear to me. It was really lovely to be able to write from Percy's first-person point of view again, which I haven't done in quite a while.

I bet! You and I talked years ago at the Magnus Chase launch event in New York , and Trials of Apollo was going on at the same time. So you've done these other books, you've lived with these other protagonists like Magnus and Apollo. What is still fun about Percy as a protagonist after spending time with these other characters?

I mean, Percy is my alter ego in a lot of ways. He's also my son's alter ego. So I mean, he's really a member of my family. When I write Percy, it's like just chatting with a family member at the dinner table, and it's so familiar to me. So I'm not going to say it's easy, because I do have to work to channel his voice and be on point and make sure he's being clever enough and being Percy enough. But it is very familiar to me, and I like to compare the Percy voice to a comfortable lpair of jeans. I mean, you put them on and it's like you're at home. It's the easiest thing.

What can you tease about how college works for demigods? How did you build that out in this world?

In previous books I've kind of hinted that the plan, as Annabeth sees it, is that she and Percy will go to the demigod college at University of New Rome in the Bay Area in California. But at the same time, they will also be sort of dual-enrolling in a local mortal college.

So Annabeth is thinking UC Berkeley. I don't know if Percy can get in there with his grades, but that's the idea. That they will go to college together hopefully and be safe in the Bay Area, have a nice experience there, and then after that, who knows? She wants to study architecture and design. Percy just wants to pass!

The previous five Percy Jackson books touched on a lot of the "greatest hits" of Greek mythology, I guess you could call them. What Greek myths or characters were left over that you're now getting the chance to explore?

The amazing thing is even after writing about Greek and Roman mythology for 15 books, there are still characters, monsters, and gods that I haven't even touched. The obvious one is Ganymede, who is the center of this story. He's lost his cup, and he's the cupbearer of the gods.

That doesn't sound good.

Especially since the cup, if you drink from it and you're a mortal, it can make you immortal. So it's not one of those things you want floating around in the world. You kind of want to know where it is. So I had to dig into Ganymede's past and think about, "Okay, well, if he's lost his cup, why would that be?" Turns out there are a lot of people who have it in for Ganymede in Greek mythology, a lot of other gods who don't like him very much for various reasons. So it gave me a chance to get into some internal family politics among the Olympians that I haven't really explored. That's what it really is: It's about bickering among the family. It's not so much about the scary monsters. Sure, there are scary monsters too, but it's mostly about the bickering between the gods and how they always get in trouble. And then of course, they always need demigods to get them out of it.

Yeah, Hera's not his biggest fan, if I recall correctly.

That is true. Annabeth and Percy, having had their fill of Hera, are hoping that she's not behind this. They don't think so because it's a little bit beneath her, maybe, but there are a whole lot of other culprits to figure out. It's a whodunit, really: Who stole the cup?

That has some resonances with The Lightning Thief , right? Because a whodunit is how this all started.

Absolutely. And Percy remarks on that in Chalice of the Gods . It's like, "What is it with these gods? They need tracking devices on their artifacts."

Since we're doing the cover reveal for the book, I wanted to ask you a bit about this image of the chalice with these creatures coming out of it. They look like birds, and then maybe a snake or a hydra. What can you tell us about these images?

A lot of those are sacred animals to various gods, so there's a hint for you. They are symbols of the gods, but they're also creatures that Percy and Annabeth and Grover will actually have to face in one way or another. I love Victo Ngai's art because it's stylized, and it's very symbolic without being over-representational. I like that style because it reminds me of the retro '60s and '70s sci-fi and fantasy novels that I grew up on. The old Lord of the Rings covers sort of had that vibe to them, and I really respond to that. I think covers like that tend to engage your imagination and let you fill in the blanks, like you were just doing: "Okay, there's a bird. What does that mean?" That's what we want you to think. We want you to use your imagination and try to decode the mystery of all the symbols on the cover without it just being, boom, here's a kid with a sword fighting a big flaming thing.

Going back to Ganymede and his cup, you mentioned that it has these properties where mortals can drink it and become immortal. That can't help but remind me of not just the Holy Grail, but the antecedents of the Holy Grail in Celtic mythology, all the magic cauldrons. You've become something of an expert in comparative mythology over the years. As you were doing these deep dives on Ganymede, that must have struck you, the resemblances to some other mythologies.

Yeah. The chalice is such an omnipresent image in world mythology. It is so symbolic of so many things: It's both nourishment and life, but it's also poison and betrayal. It's power, but it's also warmth and family. It can mean so many things. And the missing cup, of course, as we know from the Holy Grail and everything else, that's one of the classic motifs of folklore and mythology. So it was fun to play with that.

It was especially fun because it made so much sense to me that if you have a cup that turns people immortal, the only demigod Ganymede would trust to look for something like that would be Percy, because he's literally the only living demigod who's ever turned down immortality.

So do you think of Chalice of the Gods as Percy Jackson and the Olympians book No. 6, or is it, like you say, more of just a day-in-the-life adventure?

I mean, I wanted it to read like Percy Jackson 6 in the sense that if you were to pick this up right after The Last Olympian , the tone would be very familiar. The characters would be familiar, the action would feel like a classic Percy Jackson book. Now, in terms of plot, it doesn't continue the story chronologically. It doesn't relate directly to those events.

This is, after all, a year or two years later. So it's more like a coda to the Percy Jackson series. And there are little references to things that happen in Heroes of Olympus , but I tried to be very conscious of the fact that you can read this book without necessarily having to know what happened in all 15 books previously.

It doesn't sound like you're tired of Percy or anything. Could you possibly come back for more in the future?

I mean, I had a good long break from writing the classic Percy novels. It's been well over a decade since I wrote in that voice, and I think that break was nice. I do think that going back to it now with the TV series made sense. It's sort of my version of a thank-you letter to all the fans who have stuck with me over the years and have been waiting for the TV show. It's my way of celebrating with them. It's like a high school reunion: Let's go back and see our old friends again and get back into that vibe that we had in the original series to celebrate The Lightning Thief being reborn.

I got into Percy young, I think before The Titan's Curse . That was the first new one for me when I was reading them. Now as a journalist and writer who covers this work, I can't help but notice how much the fan base has grown over the years, how intensely loyal they are, how interested they are in any new snippet about your work or Percy. It looks like they're going to have a really great couple of years ahead.

I certainly hope so. We're excited, and it is neat to see this multigenerational fandom get invested in the books and in the TV show as well. I mean, we would never have believed back in 2005 that Percy Jackson would still be a thing in 2023. I mean, that's a long good run, and every day just feels like gravy. It's like, I can't believe I'm still doing this, and they pay me money to write these stories. I feel very grateful.

We've been talking so much about Percy as a character, his viewpoint and his perspective. What are you excited for people to see about Walker Scobell 's portrayal of him in the upcoming series?

Oh my gosh. Walker's Percy is just totally spot-on. I mean, it's really hard to take a book that is told 100 percent from a first-person narrator and translate it to film, because you can't… I mean, I guess you could have a voice-over narrative.

Yeah, but it's not the same.

It's not the same. So we have to figure out how to convey Percy's personality in other ways, through his lines of dialogue, through his expressions, through his actions. And Walker has that sense of alchemy. Everybody says this about him when they watch him perform: This kid is a superstar. The screen loves him, and he is so good and so natural and so dedicated at everything. It really is stunning, and he's a huge megafan of the books.

I kid you not, he's read the books more times than I have. So he's prereading The Sun and the Star right now. He could not wait. I was like, "Okay, I'll get you an advanced copy, but you have got to keep it to yourself." But that love of the series and the source material really comes through.

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The series that started it all. Follow the demigod son of Poseidon and his friends on a quest that will have them meeting gods, battling monsters, and taking on the Titans from Greek mythology.

The Kane Chronicles

When the gods of Ancient Egypt are accidentally unleashed into the modern world, siblings Carter and Sadie Kane discover that they are descended from the most powerful magicians, and only they have the power to set things right!

The Heroes of Olympus

A new Great Prophecy, a new generation of demigods . . . Sail with Percy Jackson and other heroes of Camp Half-Blood and Camp Jupiter as they embark on their most dangerous challenge yet.

Magnus Chase

A new demigod is born—this time from Norse mythology. Join Magnus Chase, a homeless boy from Boston, on a wild adventure that will have him meeting the gods of Asgard and discovering his true identity.

Trials of Apollo

After angering his father Zeus, the god Apollo is cast down from Olympus. Weak and disoriented, he lands in New York City as a regular teenage boy. Now, without his godly powers, the four-thousand-year-old deity must learn to survive in the modern world!

Daughter of the Deep

New York Times #1 best-selling author Rick Riordan pays homage to Jules Verne in his exciting modern take on 20,000 Leagues Under the Sea.

The Sun and the Star