star trek breen vs star wars

13 Ways Star Wars And Star Trek Are Way Too Similar

It's a longstanding joke — and reality — that non-fans frequently confuse the franchise titles "Star Wars" and "Star Trek." This seems preposterous to devotees of either, many of whom will go on at great length about how completely different they are in terms of themes, outlook, technology, and tone. They may argue that "Star Wars" is a science fantasy with mystical knights who have laser swords and magic powers that leans heavily into destiny and predestination. Or that "Star Trek" is science fiction with extrapolated future technology and humans driving their own destiny. In the broadest strokes, that's true, but as a wise old Force Ghost once said, "You're going to find that many of the truths we cling to depend greatly on our own point of view."

A closer examination reveals that as both franchises have grown and sprawled they've increasingly rubbed up against one another and exchanged some cinematic and narrative DNA, with the result that the two really aren't always as distinct as they might've once been.

Boushh and the Breen

While no one's going to confuse an Imperial Stormtrooper for a Klingon warrior, there was one particular time when a masked "Star Trek" character bore a striking resemblance to a "Star Wars" counterpart with the introduction of the Breen. Name-dropped in several episodes of "The Next Generation" and "Deep Space Nine," it wasn't until the latter show's fourth season that they actually appeared.

And what an appearance. At first glance a lot of viewers familiar with "Star Wars" were likely struck with their resemblance to Boushh, the disguise assumed by Princess Leia (Carrie Fisher) in "Return of the Jedi" a dozen years earlier. Going on memory alone, anyone could be forgiven for thinking the Breen helmets were just reused Boushh helmets. In a side-by-side comparison it's obvious they're not identical, but they're damned close. That the Breen's sharp, metallic dialog was conveniently untranslated by the ubiquitous universal translators made the similarity even more pronounced. 

Another similarity: In "Jedi" the figure we've believed to be Boushh pulls the helmet off to reveal Leia. A Breen pulls a similar reveal in the "DS9" episode "What You Leave Behind," only this time it's Kira Nerys (Nana Visitor). Coincidence? Homage? Separated at birth? You decide.

Space is Small. Really Small

As Douglas Adams observed, "Space is big. Really big. You just won't believe how vastly hugely mind-bogglingly big it is. I mean, you may think it's a long way down the road to the chemist, but that's just peanuts to space." But you wouldn't get that impression watching "Star Wars" or most of "Star Trek." Both treat screaming across light years like driving to the mall.

To be fair, "Wars" treated such journeys as trivial from the get-go, with the trip from middle-of-nowhere Tatooine to political hotspot Alderaan taking the length of one conversation. "Trek" didn't start off this way. It routinely took days for the Enterprise to go from planet to planet, and only occasionally hours if Scotty pushed the engines to "cannae take it" status. But by the 2000s warp drive had — for all intents and purposes — become hyperspace. Starfleet ships blast from Earth to the Klingon border seemingly as fast as the Falcon zipped to Alderaan. This has effectively erased one key distinction between the shows (although unlike the Millennium Falcon, Starfleet ships can still do pew pews in warp drive).

Of course, space is Douglas Adams big when it serves the needs of the story, as when the USS Voyager took 7 years (with massive shortcuts) to cross the galaxy. But that's become the exception, not the rule.

Small Universe Syndrome

In 1967, "Star Trek" Associate Producer Bob Justman complained when a writer tried to bring back the same Klingon commander from their first appearance:

"Here we are in the outer reaches of our galaxy [...] and who should Captain Kirk run into, but good old Kor — an adversary that he has encountered before ... Just think of it — billions of stars and millions of Class M-type planets and who should he run into, but a fella he has had trouble with before. No wonder Kor doesn't recognize him at first. The coincidence is so astounding, that he must feel certain that it couldn't possibly have happened. "

He could just as well be describing every "Star Wars" or "Star Trek" story since the '90s, since both are obsessed with linking absolutely everything. Characters from across each respective galaxy know each other or have some connection. Young Anakin Skywalker (Jake Lloyd) not only knew Greedo as a kid, but built Threepio (Anthony Daniels). Artoo hung out with Obi-Wan (Ewan McGregor) despite "A New Hope" Kenobi (Alec Guinness) barely giving him a second glance. Over in Starfleet, La'an (Christina Chong) is a descendant of the infamous Khan Noonien-Singh (Ricardo Montalban) and Michael Burnham (Sonequa Martin-Green) is the adopted sister of Spock, and the president of Earth is the son of Pavel Chekov (Walter Koenig). These people can't be important on their own, they have to be related to someone we know.

Grunts are Mostly Useless in Combat

Admittedly, this is a common trope in movies and TV well beyond these two franchises. And let's face it, audiences are there to see the heroes be heroic and perform acts of daring-do. We want to see Captain Kirk (William Shatner) take down that Klingon, not some nameless redshirt, just as we want to see Luke Skywalker (Mark Hamill) blow up the Death Star, not Gold Leader (Angus MacInnes). So the heroes end up being the best shots, and largely invulnerable, because they have to survive to win the day and receive medals or starship commands at the end.

This results in the similarity that only the leads can shoot straight, and everyone else can neither hit the broad side of a battle station nor avoid being cannon fodder, be they members of the Galactic Republic/Empire/New Order, Federation Starfleet, the Rebel Alliance, or the "Trek" alien menace of the week.

The OG "Star Wars" cleverly dodged this cliché bullet by revealing that the Imperials allowed the heroes to escape the Death Star in order to track them, which Leia surmises. But after that? And in Starfleet? What's the excuse?

Destiny's Children

Given its fantasy roots, "Star Wars" is unsurprisingly replete with characters marked by special destinies and fates. "Star Trek" began without this, but over time it's fallen prey to the easy trap of special destinies — so much so that "Strange New Worlds" Season 1 concluded with the message that Spock (Ethan Peck) is a chosen one who must survive at all costs. There was once a novel titled "Spock, Messiah!" and the franchise has embraced that too literally.

Bratty Anakin Skywalker is the Chosen One who will bring balance to the Force. It's implied that he had no father other than the Force. On "Deep Space Nine"  Benjamin Sisko's  (Avery Brooks) birth was caused by aliens who possessed his mother and made her bear a child with a man she didn't love. Why? Because the Emissary "could be no one else." There's no consent on the mother's part in either of these scenarios.

Even Rey (Daisy Ridley) can't just be a Jedi in training, she's got to be related to the saga's big bad. Wesley Crusher (Wil Wheaton) can't just be a child, but a "Mozart," as The Traveler (Eric Menyuk) puts it, of "time, energy, propulsion, and the instruments of this vessel which allow all that to be played." Such fates are anathema to the underlying philosophy of "Trek," which routinely suggests it's our choices that determine our futures and fates and that we're not shackled to predestination.

Parental Loss Abounds

Anakin Skywalker (Hayden Christensen) lost his mother twice. His children, Luke & Leia (Carrie Fisher), lost their mama, Padmé Amidala (Natalie Portman), at birth. Cassian Andor (Diego Luna) lost both parents as a child, then lost his adoptive father. Jyn Erso's (Felicity Jones) mother was killed and her father taken away. Ezra Bridger's (Taylor Gray) parents were imprisoned then killed. Rey was ditched by her parents. Finn (John Boyega) was taken from his family. Even Boba Fett (Daniel Logan) lost his father!

Meanwhile, Jonathan Archer's (Scott Bakula) dad died when he was young. Michael Burnham lost her parents at age 10. Kelvin Timeline James T. Kirk's (Chris Pine) pop died moments after his birth. La'an's family was torn apart by Gorn, and Uhura's parents and brother died in a shuttle accident. Benjamin Sisko's birth mother died before was 5, his adopted mother died, then his first wife died and left their son, Jake (Cirroc Lofton), motherless ( and yet he's still more grounded than most "Trek" captains ). Even B'Elanna Torres' (Roxann Dawson) deadbeat human dad (Juan Garcia) walked out on her family when she was a child. The cast of "The Next Generation" really took this to the extreme, with only Geordi LaForge (Levar Burton) reaching adulthood without losing one or both parents. Even android Data (Brent Spiner) had his "parents" abandon him.

Keep going deeper into the respective canons and you'll find even more. Seriously, there's no need to go all Bambi's mother on so many characters' parents.

J.J. Abrams is controversial in both fandoms

Outside of the films and shows themselves, one big commonality in fandoms of both franchises is the work of director J.J. Abrams, who directed two "Trek" movies and then a pair of "Wars" films. His efforts are frequently derided, and often for identical reasons. As a writer, he's criticized for derivative storylines lacking in originality, and that he merely moves the chess pieces around the board without inventing anything new. He's pilloried for a tiresome overreliance on MacGuffins and being unable to pay off the things he's set up. His "mystery boxes" are raked over the coals for being empty vessels, revealing nothing about the characters as they chase after them. As a director, he's attacked for an all style, no substance approach.

Beyond those broad strokes the fandoms have franchise-specific nits to pick. "Star Trek" fans accused him of making "Trek" too much like "Star Wars," and treating the two franchises as interchangeable. "Star Wars" fans accused him of effectively remaking previous films of the franchise without adding anything new. Phrases like "creatively bankrupt" got thrown around a lot in both fandoms.

The Mandalorians are Klingons

If "The Mandalorian" proved anything, it's that the honorable warrior race is a trope showing no signs of going quietly into the night. Both ridge-skulled Klingons and helmet-headed Mandalorians are caste societies centered around noble houses, and members of both live by codes of honor in the same way that the samurai class of feudal Japan cleaved to the code of bushido.

The two are so similar because, frankly, both franchises could've made more of an effort to develop their cultures beyond western genre stereotypes. The concept of a How does a society made up wholly of warriors work? Do Klingon chefs want to die in battle? Do Mandalorian nursemaids? Who keeps the books? Who picks up the trash? I was frustrated when "The Next Generation" first tried to sell me on it, and the "Mando" take doesn't work for me either.

Both would do well to look more closely at Edo-period Samurai culture, where they weren't just warriors, but a class in the caste system. Beyond their duties as fighters, they were also administrators, politicians, poets, and farmers. But neither the Mandalorians nor the Klingons efface such complexity. Another similarity? Let's face it — K'Ehleyr is Bo-Katan. There, I said it.

Overpowered Weapons

Both franchises have a fascination with preposterous planet-killing superweapons, be they Death Stars, Doomsday Machines, Starkiller Bases, Genesis Devices, preposterous Superlaser equipped Star Destroyers, Xindi death balls, or the much maligned and ridiculed Red Matter.

Other than the H-Bomb analogy of the planet-killer, OG "Trek" didn't dabble in planet-smashing weapons. Devastating a planet's surface was one thing, as when the Enterprise threatened to "glass" the surface of Eminiar Seven, or when the V'ger weapons would have devastated the entire surface of the Earth. But by the time of the show "Enterprise" and the 2009 "Star Trek" movie they'd gone full Death Star with planet-smashing weapons in the name of keeping up with the Palpatines.

Blowing planets apart is preposterous fantasy and would serve no practical function — even militarily — other than as an over the top terror weapon. Is the planet itself a problem, or the little carbon units that infest it? If what you're after is to kill everyone on a planet, think mass drivers. Or just fling a Star Destroyer-sized asteroid (or a Star Destroyer) at the target. The resulting blast, quakes, and hellfire raining from the sky will do the job quite handily. Just ask the dinosaurs.

Underpowered Weapons

For every Death Star or Doomsday Machine in each franchise there are 50 weapons which are little more effective than a small caliber handgun. This wasn't always the case in "Trek," where early on a single phaser shot or photon torpedo blasted unshielded ships to space smithereens, or a single hit could vaporize an entire person. But as time wore on the movies and shows increasingly portrayed phasers as firing energy bullets, with results that were effectively indistinguishable from the blaster hits of "Star Wars."

And speaking of blaster hits and phaser pulses, are they any more effective than a contemporary handgun? Stormtrooper armor seems utterly ineffective against ... well, everything, so why rely on this high-tech weaponry when a lead slug would do the job?

Okay, sure, if phasers worked as portrayed early on, it would be about as hard to miss with one as it would with a flashlight. In beam mode it's effectively a lightsaber of incredible length, where you could pull the trigger and sweep your arm around, which would require rethinking gunfights entirely. But why do that when "Star Wars" has made everyone want to go "Pew! Pew!"

They're Both Science Fantasies

"Star Wars" has always worn its fairytale pedigree on its sleeve, so no one cares if there's no science behind its fiction. "Star Trek," though, has always had pretensions to be science fiction, even if soft. But much of that "science" has been magic since day one. In science fantasy I can buy a Jedi sensing a million voices crying out in terror from light years away. In science fiction I can't buy a telepath sensing thought patterns at similar distances. Exotic tech warp drives can handwave Einstein aside, but since when are brainwaves faster than light? Looking at you, Vulcans.

Transporters are a physicist's nightmare, but if they were only used to move people and property from plot point A to plot point B, that wouldn't be so bad. It's all the other abilities the writers grafted onto it which beam it into fantasyland. It can split people into Jekyll-Hyde duplicates, merge two beings into one, undo aging, or whatever the plot requires of it each week.

And such nonsense isn't just limited to that. "Trek" routinely slathers scientific-sounding jargon over whatever nonsense the plot requires to lend the illusion that it's grounded in reality, but it's mostly rubbish. Statements like "synchronizing the transporter's annular confinement beam to the warp core frequency" is about as scientific as a Harry Potter-esque techno incantation like, " synchronizo trabes claustri annularis motoris ad stamen nucleum frequentia ! "

All that's missing is a magic wand ... or the Force.

A.I. is a Subclass

"They do the work that no one else wants to do because it's too difficult, or too hazardous..." Guinan (Whoopi Goldberg) said of androids in the "Star Trek" universe. "You don't have to think about their welfare, you don't think about how they feel. Whole generations of disposable people." That just as easily applies to the droids of "Star Wars," because another similarity between the franchises is that being an artificial life form in either sucks.

"Star Wars" flat out treats droids as property, despite the fact that quite a number of them exhibit levels of both sentience and sapience. Up to a point you could pretend that droids were merely programmed to act like self-aware beings, until "Solo" introduced socially conscious L3-37 (Phoebe Waller-Bridge) making a passionate case for droid rights. "Andor" even features sensitive droid B2EMO (Dave Chapman) literally mourning the death of a human.

The "Star Trek" franchise repeatedly touches on A.I. rights, but never makes the big jump to extending rights and self determination to them as a class, generally opting to make exceptions for individual cases. The whole plot of "Picard" Season 1 revolves around bans against A.I. and attempts to annihilate them out of fear. Be it Data, or the self-aware programs known as Moriarty (Daniel Davis) and The Doctor (Robert Picardo), all have to argue for their rights, and not always to entirely satisfactory results.

Ginormous Space Navies

In the photochemical age, visual effects were difficult to accomplish and often very expensive. On OG "Trek" and even the movies it was vanishingly rare to see two or more ships simultaneously. This is why the sheer number of ships seen buzzing around in 1977's "Star Wars" was so revolutionary.

But with "Return of the Jedi" the bar was raised, and just having a dozen ships or asteroids whizzing around was no longer enough. That film's most complex effects shot, SB19, consisted of 63 different space ships made up from 170 small rolls of film, and was a nightmare to choreograph and composite.

By the late '90s the introduction of digital compositing made such shots far simpler to do, so much so that even TV shows could afford to have massive space navies squaring off against one another, as demonstrated on "Deep Space Nine" in episodes like "Way of the Warrior." Once CGI became more practical, the die was cast, and the makers of both franchises decided bigger is better to the point of absurdity. See the preposterously enormous fleets capping "The Rise of Skywalker," all three seasons of "Picard," and the first season closer of "Strange New Worlds." When the shooting starts, the distinctions between "Star Wars" and "Star Trek" gets increasingly blurred.

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Was Boush a Breen?

• Thread starter toyguy
• Start date Dec 13, 2005
• Dec 13, 2005

Please excuse my spelling for both characters, and if this topic was discussed. But anyway, for any SW fan that saw DS9 will instantly recognize that the Breen (who sided with the Dominion), looks exactly like the Boush race in ROTJ. Now, I don't know if the real Boush looks like Leia's helmet or he was just another humanoid who wore that same helmet. What ever the case, did either Lucasfilm or any ST guys at Paramount ever gave any hint that the 2 are related? If so, that would be the only trans-franchise race between ST and SW that I know of. By rights, I'd say the ST guys should give a nod to the SW character. Otherwise, its just a down right rip off. In which case, I'm surprised that Lucas hasn't sued. Since he thought Galactica was too close to SW, and he supposedly sued back then.  

Zombie_F_Body

I think it's just coincidence. As far as a rip-off, considering Star Trek came way before and set up the path for future sci-fi, maybe he would consider it an honor. BSG IMO was just a quick cash in after the fact.  

That image is from the original Alien Anthology for the SWRPG. It and its larger, expanded counterpart can be good resources for information on many of the "background" alien species seen in the films.  

DrunkenReeYees

When I first saw the Breen on DS9 I asked myself the same question. I later checked my dad's Star Trek encyclopedia and found no connection in the entry's footnotes. Which leads me to believe it's coincidence because all other Star Wars "borrowed" stuff is mentioned. If it is a rip-off, which I doubt due to both franchise's sutble homages to each other, Star Wars couldn't have ripped it off Star Trek because the Breen weren't seen until DS9 long after ROTJ came out.  

Yeah they definitely look alike, but I think there are enough distinct differences to ward off any lawsuits ( here's a pic of a breen ). I must admit when I first saw the Breen my first thought was that the helmets were recycled props from Star Wars. On a similar topic, I always thought these aliens in the Voyager episode "Nemesis" looked an awful lot like Predators. -Matt  

• Dec 14, 2005

ThisIsMadness91

Darth_Rayne said: I think it's just coincidental. Boushh is Ubese, and though I don't know where the pic is from, they resemble this: Click to expand...

Darth_Anton

A little insider knowledge from someone who was there... The person who designed the Breen loved the Boushh design and borrowed it.  

Darth_Anton said: A little insider knowledge from someone who was there... The person who designed the Breen loved the Boushh design and borrowed it. Click to expand...

Well the Enterprise-E did show up in a scene in Ep. II. I think people who work on these type of things have to be big sci-fi fans in general so it's a good bet, like Anton backs up, that people working on the Star Wars films dig Star Trek and vice versa. Another example is the Falcon having a cameo in Blade Runner.  

Zombie_F_Body said: Well the Enterprise-E did show up in a scene in Ep. II. I think people who work on these type of things have to be big sci-fi fans in general so it's a good bet, like Anton backs up, that people working on the Star Wars films dig Star Trek and vice versa. Another example is the Falcon having a cameo in Blade Runner. Click to expand...

toyguy said: BTW, that Voyager alien really DOES look like Predator!! When you mentioned Predator, I immediately thought you were referring to the "Hunters", who's culture is very much like the Predator race. The guys in your image reminds me a little of the Norsicans (?sp) in the Alpha quadrant stories. Click to expand...

Mattdude said: In fact, and I could be wrong about this, but I think in one episode of Voyager I saw a Giger Alien skull on the bridge of a Hirogen ship. I'll have to watch it again to be sure. -Matt Click to expand...

• Dec 15, 2005

Being a fan of both Star Wars and Star Trek, I've often wondered about the "conincidental" Breen/Ubese connection. I've never read anything official about it either. Obviously the Breen design came after the Ubese design. We all saw Boushh in '83 whereas the Breen debuted in late '90. So I'm sure the Breen design was heavily inspired by Leia's Boushh disguise. Like posted earlier, these concept artists and costume designers are fans of the sci-fi genre just like us. I'm sure they just love coming up with ways of slightly tying their favorite franchises together. Hell, even the big wigs can't resist. Just look at Lucas and Spielberg's little tie-in with the ET's in TPM's Senate scene. I've never thought about the Nausican/Predator similarities, but they're definitely apparent now that I've compared them. I've always felt that Species 8472 from ST:Voyager was always a nod at Aliens . And Oola, Jabba's green-skinned Twi'lek slave girl always reminded me of the green Orion slave girls from the original Star Trek series. I'm sure there are lots of others. We could probably start a completely new thread on sci-fi franchise connections.  

VaderG60 said: And Oola, Jabba's green-skinned Twi'lek slave girl always reminded me of the green Orion slave girls from the original Star Trek series. I'm sure there are lots of others. We could probably start a completely new thread on sci-fi franchise connections. Click to expand...

toyguy said: Another common tool is how they depict light/warp speed. From the exterior shots, ST is probably more spectacular. The front of their ships "stretch" into a stream of light followed by the end of the ship. SW ships only disappears into a point. But in both cases, it reasonable to assume that the ships flashes away pretty quickly. From the interior of the ships however, who could beat the Falcon cockpit scene where the star field streak past us as streams of white light! Too bad Lucas only did it once. Click to expand...

• Dec 17, 2005

George Lucas is a huge fan of the original Star Trek.  

hunky_artist

• Dec 19, 2005

Zombie_F_Body said: Well the Enterprise-E did show up in a scene in Ep. II. Click to expand...

I think it's the part were Obi-Wan is flying through Coruscant on the droid that put the millipedes in Padme's room. It's part of the speeder traffic in the background.  

Zombie_F_Body said: I think it's the part were Obi-Wan is flying through Coruscant on the droid that put the millipedes in Padme's room. It's part of the speeder traffic in the background. Click to expand...

I didn't even know that Boushh was a person, I thought it was something that Leia made up.  

toyguy said: Yup, I believe ILM does a lot of Trek stuff for movies. Not sure about the TV series though. Click to expand...

Fantasticmrcox

• Dec 26, 2005

Sentinel said: I didn't even know that Boushh was a person, I thought it was something that Leia made up. Click to expand...

VaderG60 said: Not sure if it's been mentioned, but supposedly the Millennium Falcon is in the battle with the Borg cube in ST: First Contact . I haven't seen it personally. Click to expand...

toyguy said: Maybe its just me, but it pretty hard to spot any of the Easter Eggs during the Coruscant chase. Even with the commentary on and the ILM guy says "look for it now!" and I pause the DVD, still I didn't see the X-Wing chased by Ties like they claim. Click to expand...

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Star Trek vs. Star Wars

Star Trek , originally a TV series, is a space western science fiction that centers around a crew who serves in Starfleet , a space-based peacekeeping and humanitarian armada. Star Wars , originally a trilogy, is a space opera fantasy franchise set in the distant past of a fictional galaxy, revolving around princes, princesses, knighthood, and chivalry. Both these highly popular and successful franchises are now being revived with new movies directed by J.J. Abrams.

Until the recent movies, Star Trek has been more of a cult phenomena than Star Wars , and therefore did not have the same level of mainstream fandom and cultural influence. Star Wars is grander in scope and has a complex web of political agendas, alien species, personal feuds, and galaxy-wide domination. The Star Trek world is modern, sleek, and shiny, while some of Star Wars' settings are dirty and grimy.

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Originally a television series, Star Trek has generally used the same basic plot setup: an altruistic crew is placed in situations of moral dilemma, which are often allegorical nods to current social and political issues. Issues covered include imperialism, war and peace, racism, class warfare, feminism, and human rights. The core characters, Captain Kirk , Spock, Scotty, Uhura, and Pavel Chekov, comprise humans and humanoid alien species. Star Trek only gained mainstream fame after the release of its films in 2009 and 2013. The video below briefly touches on the history of Star Trek :

Star Wars uses archetypes of the fantasy genre, such as princesses, knighthood, and chivalry, and action unfolds in a contest between good and evil. The Star Wars universe is laden with political science elements and historical inspiration. The plot climax of the Rebel Alliance fights for freedom from the Galactic Empire was drawn from the fall of the Roman Republic and the formation of an empire. This 10 minute video gives a retrospective look into the original trilogy of Star Wars :

Science and Fantasy

Common belief is that Star Trek is science fiction, while Star Wars is science fantasy. The technology in Star Trek is supposed to be at least loosely grounded in science or potential future science , rather than supernatural forces or magic. The most visible technologies include personal communication and triangulation devices (inspirations for modern day smart phones), warp drive travel for space ships, and teleporting ( “Beam me up, Scotty” ). The chief technologist for Google Earth has said that the tricorder’s mapping capability was one inspiration for Google Earth.

Star Wars , on the other hand, is not focused on the real-world viability of its science, as it is more science fantasy than science fiction. One of the core elements of its stories is the existence of the “Force”, an omnipresent energy that surrounds all living things and that can be harnessed by those with special abilities. The Force allows for acts of telekinesis, mind control, clairvoyance, and precognition, and can also make a person more physically capable.

Production History

After two Star Trek pilots were made, the original series aired for three years in the late sixties. Despite a fervent fan base, ratings were disappointing, and the show was canceled. Except for an animated series in the mid 70s, no new Star Trek productions were released until the first feature film in 1980. This revived the franchise , and 11 more movies followed, along with overlapping television series running until 2005. The Star Trek reboot films in 2009 and 2013 directed by J.J. Abrams brought a new style to the franchise, and functioned as broad-appeal blockbusters, rather than just being events for long-standing fans of the show.

Unlike Star Trek , Star Wars began as a motion picture rather than a television series. Universal Studios first agreed to make George Lucas’s Star Wars in 1971, but it took several years and multiple script revisions for the project to begin. The original film was finally released in 1977 to worldwide fanfare and became a pop culture phenomenon. Two sequels were released at three year intervals. 16 years after the third film, the first film in a new prequel trilogy was released. A third trilogy has recently been announced: Star Wars Episode VII will be released in 2015, and is being directed by J.J. Abrams, the same director who was in charge of the Star Trek reboot.

Political and Social Elements

When Roddenberry conceived the original show, he did so with a highly progressive, liberal agenda in mind, reflecting the counter culture movement sweeping the nation in the 1960s, although he was not totally forthcoming with the television networks about this element of the show. Star Trek was Roddenberry’s vision of what society could become in the future if humanity learned from its past mistakes. It was one of the first shows to have a mixed race cast.

Star Wars is a classic epic of good versus evil. The Jedi use the Force for good, while the Sith use the Force for evil. Star Wars functions less as commentary on specific social issues, but operates on the grander operatic struggle of dark vs light, dictatorships versus democracies, etc. However, many have attempted to draw parallels between Star Wars and the reality of history and politics , as seen in this video :

Pop Culture and Legacy

Star Trek has a devoted cult following of hardcore fans known as “Trekkies”. There are various Trekkie conventions all over the world where fans dress up in costumes and may have a chance to meet cast members, or to discuss the issues of the show. Some Trekkies even learn the show’s constructed language , Klingon. There was a Star Trek -themed attraction in Las Vegas for 10 years. Two museum exhibits of props travel the world. A NASA space shuttle was named after the crew’s ship , the Enterprise.

The Star Wars movies have expanded into a massive web of spinoffs and products, including books, video games , made-for-TV movies, comic books, animated series, theme park attractions. Even several animal species have been named after Star Wars characters. References to Star Wars are common in movies and the media.

Famous Quotes

• "KHAAANNNN!" -Captain Kirk
• "It can be argued that a human is ultimately the sum of his experiences." --Benjamin Sisko
• "I would be delighted to offer any advice I can on understanding women. When I have some, I'll let you know." -Captain Picard
• "Excuse me… Excuse me. I’d just like to ask a question… What does God need with a starship?" -Captain Kirk
• "What we leave behind is as important as how we’ve lived. After all, Number One, we’re only mortal." -Picard "Speak for yourself, sir. I plan to live forever. -Riker
• The truth is usually just an excuse for a lack of imagination. -Garak
• "May the Force be with you."
• “Do. Or do not. There is no try.” -Yoda
• “Help me Obi-Wan Kenobi. You’re my only hope.” -Luke Skywalker
• “You don’t need to see his identification … These aren’t the droids you’re looking for … He can go about his business … Move along.” - Obi-Wan Kenobi
• “Use the Force, Luke.” - Obi-Wan Kenobi
• “I find your lack of faith disturbing.” -Darth Vader
• “Fear is the path to the dark side…fear leads to anger…anger leads to hate…hate leads to suffering.” -Yoda
• “When I left you, I was but the learner, now I am the master.” -Darth Vader “Only a master of evil, Darth.” -Obi-Wan Kenobi
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Breen dreadnaught

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The ship was capable of traversing a transwarp conduit as a shortcut and used a form of warp drive as its primary means of faster-than-light travel.

A dreadnought comfortably outgunned a Federation Crossfield -class starship . It was equipped with directed energy weapons and torpedo launchers , as well as shield-tunneling technology that enabled it to deploy soldiers through deflector shields . Its defenses included shields and a cloaking device ; there was a gap in shield coverage at the aft exhaust port . There was a large shuttlebay at ship's center, which was also the location of the bridge .

Primarch Ruhn controlled a dreadnought , although it was jumped to the galactic barrier by the USS Discovery . ( DIS : " Mirrors ", " Erigah ", " Labyrinths ", " Lagrange Point ", " Life, Itself ")

Primarch Tahal commanded a fleet of three ships of this class, including her flagship the Tau Ceti . ( DIS : " Life, Itself ")

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• Ruhn's dreadnaught

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• " Lagrange Point "
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The concept for the Breen dreadnaught was pitched by writer Carlos Cisco : "I had been looking at Breen ship designs, including the Star Trek Online ones, which were these colossal, city ships that could house entire armies and fleets inside of them. And again, talking about what haven’t we seen and what could we have as our adversary. Like, Osyraa’s ship was big in comparison to Discovery , but we wanted to do something – this thing was just a behemoth. Like a Discovery -sized ship could fly into its shuttle bay." [1]

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Star Trek vs. Star Wars: which one is better in 2023?

For as long as both entities have existed, fans of science fiction and fantasy have debated the merits of Star Trek and Star Wars . But for most of the 45 years that the two franchises have overlapped, Star Trek and Star Wars haven’t actually had much in common, apart from their cosmic setting. Star Trek is an aspirational sci-fi series set in humanity’s future, while Star Wars is a bombastic fantasy adventure that takes place in a far-off galaxy. One has primarily lived on weekly television, while the other has broken big-screen box office numbers.

Star Trek and Star Wars have both leaned heavily into fan service

The streaming era has let both franchises experiment.

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However, in recent years, both Star Trek and Star Wars have become tentpoles for their parent companies’ subscription streaming services , Paramount+ and Disney+ , respectively, each pumping out a steady stream of content in an ever-widening array of formats. This has led them to encroach further into each other’s territory than ever before. Star Trek vs. Star Wars is no longer an apples-to-oranges comparison — they are directly competing products, sharing some of the same ambitions and struggling against the same environmental forces.

We will likely never settle on which space franchise is the greatest of all time, but we can take a moment to ask: Which is better right now?

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Studios have become increasingly risk-averse during the streaming era, and that’s meant relying on recognizable brands with loyal fanbases who will remain subscribed to a service as long as there are new releases within their favorite fictional universe. However, this dependence has also left streamers at the mercy of those same fans, who can now use social media to converse with creators or even make demands. While this can lead to crowd-pleasing moments like the return of popular characters or the inclusion of fan-promoted memes back into the product, it can also create a feedback loop in which creators continue to serve audiences slight variations on whatever fans say they like rather than expanding their worlds or telling new stories.

Over the past two years, both Star Trek and Star Wars have released series that are representative of this shamelessly fan-oriented approach. In 2022, Paramount+ released the first season of Star Trek: Strange New Worlds , a prequel series set aboard the original USS Enterprise and starring Anson Mount as Captain Kirk’s predecessor Captain Christopher Pike. This series was prompted by a vocal fan campaign after legacy characters Pike, Mr. Spock, and Number One were featured in the second season of Star Trek: Discovery in 2019. A petition to give these characters their own spin-off received over 30,000 signatures, eventually leading to Strange New Worlds receiving a series order. Happily, the fans were right about this one, and Strange New Worlds has become more than just a nostalgic throwback to classic Trek , but exactly the shot in the arm the franchise needed. The series retains the episodic format of pre-streaming Trek series, but benefits from modern production values, a charming cast, and a sense of joy and wonder that the serialized Trek shows Discovery and Picard have yet to deliver.

The recent third season of Star Trek: Picard  has also been a serious crowd-pleaser, reuniting the cast of Star Trek: The Next Generation for one last 10-hour adventure. Though certainly the most recursive and least imaginative new installment of Trek’s streaming era, it has been wildly popular among fans, well-received by critics, and is the first Trek series to make a dent into Nielsen’s weekly Top 10 streaming charts. A petition to launch a sequel series featuring Picard ’s younger cast members has surpassed the one that demanded a spin-off for Pike’s Enterprise, with over 44,000 signatures to date. There is a vocal online contingent that wants to hand the keys to the franchise to this season’s showrunner, gushing Star Trek fanatic Terry Matalas.  

The current state of the Star Wars Galaxy should be a warning against that particular future for Star Trek . While ascended fan and George Lucas apprentice Dave Filoni has produced some of the best Star Wars television, such as the animated Star Wars Rebels and the incredible final season of The Clone Wars , his insistence upon building every new series directly on the back of the last one has left the Star Wars galaxy feeling both smaller and more confusing than it has in decades. Characters’ stories weave between animated and live-action series, making each product harder to follow on its own. Important character beats for the main characters of The Mandalorian are resolved in The Book of Boba Fett . Ahsoka is a live-action spin-off for the popular Clone Wars character, but is also a sequel to Rebels , seeded in a number of Mandalorian episodes . Die-hard fans will have no trouble following this and delight in getting to see their favorite animated characters brought to life in live-action follow-ups, but this comes at the expense of what has always been Star Wars ’ greatest advantage over Star Trek : accessibility.

Meanwhile, the desire to tickle fans’ nostalgia glands with returning characters from the franchise’s past has resulted in creative misfires like the most recent Star Wars feature film, The Rise of Skywalker , the underwhelming Obi-Wan Kenobi streaming series, and the ghoulish practice of digitally applying the faces of young Mark Hamill or the late Carrie Fisher onto new actors. These are indications that even the unstoppable forces of time and death will not dissuade Disney from recycling the most popular Star Wars elements ad infinitum. That way lies madness.

Point: Star Trek

Prior to the streaming wars, Star Trek and Star Wars each had their own clearly defined lanes. Star Trek was weekly television that occasionally spun off into feature films, aimed at adults but also fostering a family audience; Star Wars was a film series that very rarely dabbled in TV, fun for all ages but plainly angling for a toy-buying audience. There had never been a Star Trek series specifically for kids (not even the short-lived 1970s Star Trek: The Animated Series ), nor had there been a Star Wars release that was made solely for adults. Over the past two years, however, both franchises have set their sights on the other’s target audience, with encouraging results.

In 2021, Paramount+ and Nickelodeon debuted Star Trek: Prodigy , a 3D animated action-adventure series aimed at kids under 12. Sporting a cast of colorful alien teenagers and a decidedly Star Warsian tone, Prodigy explores the Star Trek Universe from the perspective of complete outsiders, making it a perfect on-ramp for a young new fan. Prodigy is like no other Star Trek show before it, and yet it is still essentially Star Trek — a show about curiosity, cooperation, communication, and tolerance — winning it the enthusiastic approval of many adult Trekkies. It’s also a lot of fun, the sort of show that could easily capture the same sort of audience that The Clone Wars garnered during its earliest, most kid-friendly seasons. Naturally, it has spawned a toy line and a tie-in video game but is unlikely to compete with Star Wars to become a merchandising juggernaut.

Conversely, 2022 saw the release of Andor , the first Star Wars offering that feels totally adult-targeted. While still not explicitly sexual or any more graphically violent than the feature films, Andor is a slow, dense, character-driven drama that would bore most kids to tears. It is, nevertheless, one of the best new shows on television, the sort of series that could ably compete with Succession or Better Call Saul  in the acting, writing, and directing categories at next year’s Emmys. Even after the relatively gritty Rogue One: A Star Wars Story , to which Andor serves as a prequel, few fans predicted that a new Star Wars series would emerge that had so little interest in being commercial or toyetic.

And yet, its radical politics and revolutionary vigor are a perfect modern extrapolation of George Lucas’ original intent behind Star Wars , a film inspired by the Vietnam War in which the well-armed, well-funded government and military are the bad guys. It’s the side of Star Wars that was buried under mountains of merchandise as Lucas built his own Empire. Rival Star Trek has always been more overtly political, but with Andor , Star Wars has delivered an incisive dose of agitprop that would make Gene Roddenberry blush.

Point: Star Wars

The streaming bubble is forcing Star Trek and Star Wars to pump the brakes — and that’s good

As recently as 2022, both Disney and Paramount were betting the farm on streaming, spending unbelievable sums to pump out new installments of their most expensive franchises year-round. Disney+ debuted three live-action event series ( The Book of Boba Fett , Obi-Wan Kenobi , Andor ) and a set of animated shorts ( Tales of the Jedi ), totaling 23 weeks of new Star Wars content on the app. That same year, Star Trek hit critical mass, with a whopping 51 new episodes premiering on Paramount+ across all five of their ongoing series ( Discovery , Picard , Lower Decks , Prodigy , and Strange New Worlds ). As both services continue to hemorrhage money, it’s become clear that this breakneck pace of new content is not sustainable. Returning Disney CEO Bob Iger has ordered Lucasfilm and Marvel to slow the rollout of their planned streaming series in favor of more theatrical releases, and a trio of new Star Wars films was announced at 2023’s Star Wars Celebration event. Meanwhile at Paramount, Star Trek: Section 31 , once planned as an ongoing series, is being retooled as a TV movie, with plans for new standalone Trek specials every two years . This strategy may allow Executive Producer Alex Kurtzman’s “Phase Two” of streaming Star Trek to explore new angles for the franchise without committing each of them to a pricey ten-episode season order.

While it’s true that a more conservative approach to either franchise could result in fewer big swings like Andor , it could also strike a blow against mediocrity. During the peak streaming era, mediocre installments like Picard season 2 or The Book of Boba Fett did little damage to their streamers’ credibility, as there was always another release right around the corner that might potentially make up for it. This pattern could continue uninterrupted for years, with a steady stream of good, fine, or outright bad Star Trek or Star Wars and very little great Star Trek or Star Wars . The less we get, the more valuable each new chapter will be, and the more invested everyone — from creators to fans — will be in its quality.

Individually, both upcoming franchises’ upcoming slates represent an exciting variety. Star Trek ’s most uneven pillars, Discovery and Picard , are wrapping up, but Strange New Worlds , Prodigy , and the animated sitcom Lower Decks continue to go boldly in markedly different directions from each other (though Strange New Worlds and Lower Decks have a crossover episode coming up this year). Section 31 promises to be something totally new for Trek , a spy-fi adventure starring Oscar-winner Michelle Yeoh. A new series, Starfleet Academy , is also in early development. Across the divide, Star Wars has the hotly anticipated Ahsoka coming out this summer, with more Andor  and The Mandalorian on deck. Star Wars: Visions , the exciting anthology of animated shorts created by studios around the world, is back for another season this year, and the trailer looks positively dazzling. Middling animated series The Bad Batch is coming to an end, seemingly putting the Clone Wars-adjacent era to bed for a while, while upcoming series The Acolyte and the three unnamed feature films will each take place in a different time periods, expanding a galaxy that has started to feel strangely claustrophobic.

Both of these upcoming slates look promising, but the sheer variety of announced Star Wars projects is simply too enticing to deny. However, whatever your individual preference, fans of space sci-fi will have plenty to argue over for years to come.  

Point and overall winner: Star Wars

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Recap/Review: ‘Star Trek: Discovery’ Finds The Right Balance In “Lagrange Point”

| May 23, 2024 | By: Anthony Pascale 105 comments so far

“Lagrange Point”

Star Trek: Discovery Season 5, Episode 9 – Debuted Thursday, May 23, 2024 Written by Sean Cochran & Ari Friedman Directed by Jonathan Frakes

The penultimate episode of the season sets up the finale with a great mix of action, heart, and even some fun.

I know you missed me.

WARNING: Spoilers below!

“What do we do now?”

We begin with Ambassador Saru returning to HQ, flowers in hand (aww), only to have his romantic moment with T’Rina diverted to a crisis meeting with the Prez. Rillak briefs the group on the last episode: Moll killed Ruhn, now Primarch Tahal’s fleet is heading to claim his dreadnaught, and it would be really bad news if she found out about the Progenitor Tech. On the Disco, they are still fixing the ship but risk using the spore drive to beat Moll to the coordinates. Upon arrival, they’re immediately pulled into a black hole—right next to another one. “That’s interesting.” Not now, Tilly! She rallies and sciences a way out of them being spaghettified , and the crew battles their way to safety, quickly spotting a curious cylinder in the Lagrange Point (title alert!) point between the holes, which must be what the 24 th -century scientists built to hide the Progenitor tech. They take in the moment to be dazzled by the awesome majesty of these binary primordial black holes as the secret home to the power of creation. This why they went into the final frontier, to find strange new… Oh shit, the Breen show up and tractor the cylinder into their shuttle bay. Zoink! You snooze you lose, space nerds.

I did miss you!

“I think they can do it.”

The Breen use the map as a key to open the container, revealing an extra-dimensional portal, so Moll starts sending Breen red shirts scientists in to figure it out. She doesn’t have the cryptic clue Michael got from Avatar Book, so the good guys have time if they can figure out how to beam the cylinder to the Disco. Adira suggests attaching transport locks, but how to get close enough? Cue the heist movie montage! The plan is to sneak a shuttle through a shield weak point to insert two teams dressed as Breen: Alpha to go to bridge and shut off shields, Beta to attach the transport lock. After some protective dad objections, Adira (with Rhys as security backup) are Alpha and Michael leads Beta, bringing Book along as pilot. Cleveland assesses the plan as “insane,” proven right as they fly into the dreadnaught’s exhaust with only seconds  before they are “deep fried.” Both teams beam in at the last moment… right next to some soldiers demanding answers. Banking on strict Breen hierarchy, Burnham chastises the soldiers and evokes the Scion, using the old fake it till you make it strategy of infiltration. Alpha team heads to the bridge, where they order a lowly officer away from his station with Adira sympathizing, “Everyone always picks on the ensign.” Beta heads to the shuttle bay with their usual banter, but take a quick sidebar so Michael can tell Book about the emotional epiphany she had in the mindscape last episode. Nice, but do you need to do this now?

Rhys and Adira prepare to drop some beats.

“This is getting weird.”

Back at HQ, Rillak is getting ghosted by Tahal so they debate dispatching the USS Mitchell to waylay the Breen Primarch, then settle on sending a less provocative shuttle with the same cool new Pathway Drive. Before T’Rina can provide a list of who could head up the mission, Saru volunteers. Later, they finally get their nice romantic moment and come to an understanding of how in their line of work they will always be faced with balancing their love with the logic required to choose duty over emotion. Speaking of duty, Rayner continues to pace the Disco bridge as he readies the crew for action and he isn’t about to sit in the captain’s chair, making it clear to acting first officer Tilly that he has no need for her “warm and fuzzy encouragement.” Stay gruff, my friend. On the dreadnaught, Michael and Book bluff their way through a checkpoint, knocking out the guards to get into the shuttle bay to see another Breen scientist sacrificed to the mysterious glowing cylinder. They need to shut off a quarantine field, so Book is tasked with distracting a guard and he goes with… flirting. No helmet and refrigeration suit can hide the sexy. As he agrees to a group hook-up at the oil baths, Michael gets to work on that field, but on the bridge, Captain Moll gets wind of the missing shuttle bay guards. She orders a total lockdown as more soldiers head towards the precious cylinder… too many even for Book to seduce.

Those DJs are really kicking it.

“I always knew my crew would come for me.”

Beta Team needs a distraction, so Rayner hails Moll, revealing the Disco wasn’t destroyed last week but fibbing that Captain Burnham was killed. He warns Tahal is coming for Ruhn’s dreadnaught, but Moll rejects the offer of protection from the Federation. The former courier soon finds Alpha Team, unmasks them, and grabs the transporter lock before it can be used. Michael and Moll trade barbs, but Rayner is listening closely and understands the coded message from his captain.  The crazy plan is to fly the Disco through the Breen shuttle bay containment field and beam Michael, Book, and the cylinder over when they get flung into space. Sure, no problem. Alpha Team drops the shields, but that gets unwanted attention, so Rhys jumps into action and even Adira gets in some hits before they’re beamed away to safety. Moll sorts out what the Starfleeters are doing and decides her best hope is to go through the interdimensional gate herself (with L’ak’s body safely stored in a portable pattern buffer). Burnham can’t let her get the tech, so she decides to follow, sharing one last poignant look with Book before being zapped away. Discovery dives through the energy barrier and all hell breaks as the cylinder floats out into space and disintegrates, revealing the pulsating glowing portal from within. Book’s now on the bridge (having found the time to change back into his cool leather coat, perhaps due to some transporter tech?) and reveals the captain is inside the portal. Scanners find nothing, so Tilly sums up: “She’s just gone.” Not on Rayner’s watch. The commander rallies the crew with a fine “ failure… not an option ” speech. They are going to get her and the tech back, period. To make his point, he (finally) sits in the captain’s chair with, “Let’s do this”… next week.

I’ll sit down when I am damned ready.

That was exciting

What an exciting episode, nicely setting things up as a first part of the two-part finale while still being a complete package on its own. Time flies by with good pacing from director Jonathan “two-takes” Frakes. He leans into the season’s pivot in tone with a sense of adventure and even some fun with heist movie motifs. Sneaking on board alien ships in disguise is classic Trek going back to “The Enterprise Incident,” but this time with a Breen twist, evoking Kira Breening up in DS9’s “Indiscretion.” The stakes are huge as the season plot comes to a head with Moll and now a looming new Breen threat potentially taking the Progenitor tech, and these bring along the VFX moments and dramatic bridge scenes we should expect from big-budget Star Trek. But this is also Discovery, and so what is woven throughout are key character moments driving home the season’s theme of connection. This may be exemplified best by the very welcome return of Doug Jones, who is giving us the perspective from Starfleet HQ as Saru and T’Rina find love in between moments of high-tension statecraft and diplomacy.

Michael senses she only has one episode left.

“Lagrange Point” pays off several character arcs that have been playing out this season, leaving Saru and T’Rina’s big day (presumably) for the season finale. Here there were more quick and even subtle moments that were still quite satisfying, especially seeing Adira come into their own by going on an away mission based on their own crazy idea, with the nervous but proud space dads sending them off like it was the first day of school. Adorable, yes, but it was also great to see Blu del Barrio show more range, with bits of humor—and it was really them doing the action scenes (check back later for Blu’s TrekMovie interview about this episode and more). The episode did make a big deal out of Rayner taking the chair, but it built up to this by picking up on threads from the season as he has earned the trust of the crew as expressed by Tilly, even as they hung a lantern on the show’s penchant for being all touchy-feely. The biggest payoff was for Michael and Book, broken up at the start of the season, now clearly realizing they are still in love. However, Discovery can’t help itself by having an inappropriately timed feelings discussion with Michael and Book on the Breen ship. This kind of thing isn’t really necessary and could have played better if she’d tried to have the conversation but was cut off, leaving everything that needed to be said in that brief beautiful moment they share only with looks before she goes into the portal.

Do they have Breen suits in my size?

Breen to be wild

It looks like they are saving all the big reveals about the Progenitors and their tech for the rest of the finale, but the ability to put their portal into the Lagrange Point of two primordial black holes is literally awesome, and Tilly seemed to imply the Progenitors may have even created those black holes, once again telegraphing this god-level tech probably shouldn’t end up in anyone’s hands. Season 5 also adds more to the lore when it comes to the Breen, although they do remain mysterious. It’s hard to grasp how Moll is now in command instead of Arisar, Ruhn’s top lieutenant who backed her coup. But there does seem to be a cult-like worship of the Scion and her association is the source of that power. More importantly, Moll seems to remain singularly focused on L’ak, but Eve Harlow’s over-the-top performance risks what we can assume is a coming redemption with Book in the finale. They were careful to show that even though she had little regard for Breen scientists, she had not gone full evil, saying she planned to drop Michael and Book off at some planet instead of killing them. We also learn that the Breen are polyamorous, like Denobulans, and they relax with oil baths, like Star Wars droids. Like with other little beats in the episode, they pick up on things established earlier in the season, like using the “anchworm” insult to good effect on the ship. This, as well as the nod to the Kellerun Ballad of Krul and “osikod” code from Burnham to Rayner, are little examples sthat show how this season is tied together more effectively than previous ones.

The Breen aren’t into walls.

For the setup to a season finale, there was a surprising amount of action, and not just with the spectacular space effects of the two black holes and battle with the Breen. The fight scenes on board the Breen ship with accompanying bluff-the-bad-guys moments were a bit familiar, but perhaps that was intentional as the episode had no time to waste. That said, there were moments that felt like they were skipping a step; after the Discovery crashes into the shuttle bay, the next moment Book is on the bridge wearing a new outfit. If you rewind and look VERY closely, you will see in the chaos of flying debris a tiny beam-out effect, but it felt like we missed something there. And if they could easily nab Book while he was in the shuttle bay, why not the cylinder as well? But it was still effective when the episode slowed down for some moments, including those back at Starfleet HQ, which added emotional beats and more context to the larger plot.

You’ll be back next week, right?

Final thoughts

In the end (and little nitpicks aside), “Lagrange Point” is a taut episode that stands on its own, but will likely be seen later as just part of the larger season finale as it ends on a cliffhanger. The balanced mix of action and emotion sprinkled with humor is the sweet spot for this series that we’ve been seeing throughout the season.

You better come back, the deposit on the wedding venue is nonrefundable.

• This is Jonathan Frakes’ 31st Star Trek directing credit and 8th episode of Discovery .
• At 46:57, it is the shortest episode of the season.
• A Lagrange Point is a real thing in celestial mechanics.
• Primarch Tahal leads the “3rd Flight” of the Breen factions.
• Once again Michael showed off her expertise in xenoanthropology (revealed in the series premiere) by knowing “Sarkaress” was a Breen festival, although it’s not clear why the universal translator didn’t know that as well.
• The vulnerability of an unshielded exhaust port is likely a reference to the Death Star from Star Wars .

Stamets is still shrooming.

More to come

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The fifth and final season of  Discovery debuted with two episodes on Thursday, April 4 exclusively on Paramount+  in the U.S., the UK, Switzerland, South Korea, Latin America, Germany, France, Italy, Australia, and Austria.  Discovery  will also premiere on April 4 on Paramount+ in Canada and will be broadcast on Bell Media’s CTV Sci-Fi Channel in Canada. The rest of the 10-episode final season will be available to stream weekly on Thursdays. Season 5 debuts on SkyShowtime in select European countries on April 5.

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I can’t recall offhand, but did we ever see Discovery’s engine room? I think they just showed the spore drive engine but never the warp engine.

It’s one of those things (like with who is chief engineer and who is chief medical officer) they never decided on. First it was ‘a’ science lab, then it was engineering.

Yeah, that was definitely one of the series’ major flaws.

Early on, they acted like we hadn’t, and that we would, but we never did.

I seem to recall this room being called engineering this season or last. It’s clearly at least an offshoot.

In Season 3 they, briefly, showed the Warp Core.

I’m pretty sure Stamet’s Lab became Engineering. You can sometimes see what’s supposed to be the core through the window.

No, and it really wasn’t necessary. The ship has engines, we get it.

And with that, there goes how many TOS eps right out the window?

Every show minus DS9 the engine room is a big part of the show and stories. This is the only one who apparently forgot they even had one.

TOS never showed the warp core.

They did, it just looked different, more like a particle accelarator then the one from TNG which set the standard, where Scotty would always be

Actually The Motion Picture set the standard. It may not have had the exact look of the core from TNG, but it did have the cylinder and lighting effects that were passed on to TNG.

I find the simple pulse lighting on TNG and DS9 cores to be very corny/dumb-looking compared to the TMP/VOYAGER cores. TMP’s is just endlessly cool-looking, and I just wish they did more with the set (like a zoomlens/dolly ‘warp’ shot a la VERTIGO or JAWS, which could have worked for a running scene or an attack.)

Decades back, when fluorescent tubes started to fail, they’d go through a phase with very weird pulsations that could last for weeks before they completely died, and it was great fun to try to photograph that and then project it into a scene. The TMP engine room sometimes reminds me of that look. In fact, if you remember the moment Enterprise phasers go into and through RELIANT’s nacelle in TWOK, that has a very similar kind of fun kinetic energery, and I always wished that shot went on a bit longer.

One more episode of this extremely disappointing season to go. This one was moderately better than some of the others, but at this point I can’t imagine how they could possibly pull off a good season finale with this dull concept.

> extremely disappointing

How the fuck high are your standards?

(Go ahead and delete this, mods. I don’t blame you.)

To each their own. I really enjoyed the episode and it has been one of the best season we’ve had. I think we all get it. Discovery just isn’t your thing. That’s fine – you are entitled to your views. But there are quite a few of us that are actually enjoying this season. The writing have been fantastic this season (talking as a writer myself), the pacing has been great, and the acting has been wonderful.

What is the point of saying “We all get it?” I’m expressing my opinion, the same as anyone else here. If you don’t like my opinion, feel free not to read it. But there’s no need for that kind of response, and there is no “we”–you speak only for yourself. In any case, you enjoy the writing and acting this season, and that’s cool. I, for the most part, do not.

Oh, I seem to have touched a nerve. I only say that we all get it is because you have mentioned it several times before. Twice in this thread. That is all. “We get it” that you do not generally like Discovery – you have been quite vocal about it. And “WE”, meaning “others” understand that too.

But perhaps you should have read what else I said in my post… “to each their own”

No need to get snappy with me.

I have never said I dislike Discovery. On the contrary, I’ve said many times that I like some aspects of it, and have been consistent in saying so since season one. What I dislike are the needless melodrama, the whisper-acting, and how thin the plots have been since season three. That doesn’t mean I dislike the show. I’d argue it means the opposite. I keep watching because there are aspects I find enjoyable, and I keep hoping the show will finally rise up and meet its enormous potential.

Unfortunately, this season’s storyline doesn’t work for me. That is not the same as me not enjoying the show. I loved seasons one and two, and I thought season three had a lot of great things about it, too. It’s just four and five that have generally disappointed me. But there have been moments of greatness from time to time, even in these two disappointing arcs.

As for my getting snappy, I was responding in kind to “We all get it.” But that’s fine, I’m moving on

Thank you for moving all… from all of us.

You’re welcome–and I do mean you, since you don’t speak for anyone else.

Yes, but the guy is right, you do make that quite clear in your posts. They are more negative than positive. I think I read that you liked 2 episodes. But even then, you tend to focus on the negative aspects than celebrate the positive ones. But I get it. It’s your thing to nit-pick. I, for one, never understood your obsession with what you call whisper acting. Don’t really get it. But you do you. But I think that got you called out for trolling once.

I have pointed out many, many good things about the show, particularly in the first three seasons, so I don’t know what you mean. I loved Sarek and Amanda. I loved Lorca. I loved the mirror universe. I loved the Harry Mudd episodes. I loved the Ash/Voq arc. I loved the redesigned Klingons, and especially L’Rell. I loved Nhan. I loved Saru. I loved the diversity. I loved Stamets and Culber. I loved Reno. I loved Book during his first season. I loved Kovich.

I loved how Discovery introduced Strange New Worlds, and I loved the casting of Pike, Number One, and Spock. I loved Burnham’s mom. I enjoyed Control, despite thinking that concept fizzled out in the end. Last season, I made it clear I enjoyed the new characters. It was just the ending I didn’t like. I am a fan of Discovery and have never said otherwise. I like every Star Trek show, or else I wouldn’t be watching them, and I wouldn’t be commenting here.

As for the whisper-acting, it’s absurd to call it MY obsession. First, I’m not obsessed about it. Second, a ton of people–here and on other websites and in podcasts and on YouTube and in blogs and reviews, etc.–have pointed out how annoying the constant whispering is. So your point is moot.

As for my being a troll, I’m clearly not. I’ve been here for years and have been an active member of this board. I’m a lifelong fan and have been since the 1970s. There are people who come here and trash other people just because they like or dislike the show. I never do that. Those are the trolls, not me. I’m here for discussion. That’s the purpose of the board.

You tend to always focus on the negative when you post. Your comments tend to all have a “but” to them. “I love this…but…”

You tend to be the only one that talks about whisper acting. Haven’t seen anyone else talk about it here or on other boards. You got called out from the admin for troll like behavior mentioning this a few episodes back. No, my point is not moot at all.

You’ve been pissing on this since the first episode, so I guess you need to finish strong. By most accounts this has been a great season, and people are watching. So there’s that.

“Most accounts” is very subjective and kind of moot. I’ve read a lot of negative reactions to this season. Mine are hardly unique.

I will say looking at the reviews for IMDB the ratings are a lot lower than I expected GIVEN that people seem to at least like it. But the highest rated episode so far is episode 4 with a 7.1 which is decent but that’s the HIGHEST so far. The lowest rated is episode 6 with a 5.7 rating. In fact all the other episodes are in the 5s and 6s. That’s LOW.

Just for comparison sake SNW season 2 highest rated episode was TOS with a 9.0 rating. The lowest rated was subspace Rhapsody with a 6.9. But all the other episodes are in the 7 and 8 ranges which are sold ratings overall.

Now we’ll come to the most highly rated season in modern Star Trek so far with Picard season 3. The highest rated episode there is still the finale with a 9.4 which is still insane to me a year later but there it is. The LOWEST rated episode are episodes 2 and 7 tied at 8.2. Let that sink in that’s the Lowest rated episodes of the season. Picard season 3 are all rated 8 and 9. That’s abnormally high for any Star Trek show.

So your assessment is accurate. The season is rated higher than the last two but just barely. It’s shocking with people people fawning over how much they are loving this season but yet not a single episode has reached anything close to an 8. To clarify there isn’t a rating for this episode yet so maybe it will be higher.

But the REALITY is this season is still very mixed overall in the fanbase. I certainly do think a lot of people like it more, certainly more than last season. But Picard season 3 this is NOT!

I think what is happening is the people who isn’t loving it as much simply isn’t talking about it as much either. At least not here. But I could be wrong. That’s my only theory because the season is still rated fair to low on both IMDB and RT which currently has a 30% audience score. But I focus more on IMDB since the episodes are individually rated.

But you’re 100% right, yours is not unique in the slightest.

Another reminder that imdb as a metric has to be tempered due to review bombing. They’ve removed transparency to see the percentages of how people vote, but it’s guaranteed there’s a slew of unreasonable 1’s in the mix there.

This is why it’s hard to have an honest discussion about the show – people started review bombing it the second they added trans people to the cast, which makes it more difficult to talk about how at the same time the writing did change noticeably.

I know this but it’s season 5. I mean at this point it’s all been laid out.

Picard season 2 for example has the WORST ratings of any of the modern shows after the first two episodes. But then season 3 as said now has the highest.

So were people just review bombing season 2 of that show? Because it has lower ratings than even Discovery. Or maybe people just generally thought it sucked? That seems to be the consensus everywhere at the time.

At some point we just have to also admit maybe the majority of down votes are just people unhappy with the show?

And here is the biggest irony. The highest rated season of Discovery is actually season 1, the season that easily had the most acrimony and bitterness from fans since Enterprise season 1 lol.

Oddly that season is decently ranked today. It’s highest rated episodes are 12 and 13 tied at 8.1.

The lowest rated that season is #8 with a 6.8. In fact most of the season are in the 7 range. Not amazing but not awful either. Basically average which MOST Star Trek seasons are rated actually across the entire franchise.

So obviously it’s not like every season has been pounded into oblivion either.

But look these discussions really frustrates me because everyone wants to argue the online ratings .. when they are bad. NO ONE argues about them when they are good lol

If I came and posted every episode this season got an 8.1 everyone would be saying “SEEEE! People love this show!!!!”

And I only posted this because of Lorna Dune said that his view wasn’t in a tiny minority and he’s right… it’s not.

But yes people certainly love it here more than him which I think is accurate and fair. But other places online it is MUCH more mixed and those ratings are bearing it out.

As far as the Trans issue sorry I just don’t buy that. Were there any Trans characters in the first two seasons of Picard because those are rated just as bad as Discovery is minus a few stand out episodes.

And I went and looked at SMW episode that featured a Trans character in episode 7. It’s rated at a 7.2. Not amazing but decent right? And it’s not the lowest rated episode of the season either.

So sorry I don’t think it’s that. Some people YES, there are certainly the anti Woke idiots around, no doubt. But no not the main issue for its lower ratings. People have been complaining about this show for five seasons and we know it’s not those issues why most think it’s bad.

The IMDb ratings start to collapse the second they introduce Gray. Could be a coincidence, but my faith in people has been dashed. When they were visible, these numbers were filled with “1” ratings. It’s just skewing the numbers too much. I think the show got worse in seasons 3 and 4. But as bad as the numbers from IMDb fanboys who can’t even bear to rate When Harry Met Sally above a 7.7? Nah. There’s a mean-spirited agenda at work.

Ok fine and you could certainly be right. But again you also said the show just got worse in those seasons as well… which most people here (who didn’t like them) have also said.

Yes maybe that did have something to do with it but I think it’s clear it’s not the only thing either.

I was the guy saying Michelle Paradise should be fired because of HOW disappointed I was over seasons 3 and 4 and it obviously had nothing to do with Grey. I just thought it was generally bad outside of a few standout episodes.

The IMDB ratings are really just a self-selecting group of poll-takers who are motivated by having their likes and dislikes noted, somewhere. (Yeah, I doubt even Terry Matalas would rate the Picard finale that highly.) I wouldn’t put all that much stock in them, in any case.

We have this conversation every season lol.

And I say the same thing EVERY season, if you’re going to just dismiss every online poll then how do we rate anything???

When someone says people are loving or hate such and such show, OK, fine but where is it coming from? TikTok videos, viewing ratings, what people on a message board says?

Because here is a shock, every metric is online.

Look no one has to believe it, I say that all the time too lol, but for me these ratings seem to bare out what people are saying online most of the time. People seem to love SNW, guess what good ratings for the show in every poll. Not always amazing but decent. People think Nemesis was a bad movie, rating for that movie… not so decent lol.

I guess what I’m saying is I would like to see a pill that is completely left field of what people are saying online. I mean an EXTREME view.

And it’s not like Discovery is hated overall. The show has a 7.0 rating overall. It is the lowest rated show in the franchise but guess what 7 of the shows are all rated in the 7s, just higher than Discovery. The only shows that are rated 8 or higher are TNG, TOS, DS9 and SNW.

That sounds about right to me BASED on discussions on these shows everywhere.

But if people really hated Discovery or just review bombing it seems like it would be in the 5 or 6 range category.

Oh and lastly, I actually agree with most people here. I thought it was a pretty good episode and gave it an 8/10. I had some issues with it but it set things up well for the finale at least.

All said and done I was just defending Lorna Dune. Phil said he was the only one giving the season crap and while I knew that wasn’t completely true since it has been more mixed in other places for sure it’s hard to just base that any one place obviously.

But that’s the problem with message boards, right? You can go to one place and find people fawning over an episode. You can then go to another place and find the opposite responses on literally the same episode.

So yes your point isn’t wrong but that’s EVERYWHERE online today, right? So how do you determine how much something is liked consensus wise anywhere today? Especially something so subjective as a TV shows and movies?

But his view wasn’t coming out of a vacuum either and that’s all I was really trying to highlight. I haven’t even looked for any ratings for this season until today and yeah even I was a little shocked by it .. but not totally either.

I’ll make a deal with everyone now. Stop saying every one loves or hates something and I won’t post any of these polls. But you can’t keep saying “Well everyone truly loves such and such show except the vocal minority” but then dismiss ANY data that contradicts that U-N-L-E-S-S you have proof your statement can actually be validated. Fair right?

And guess what however it is validated will be 100% from online sources and we’re back where we started anyway.

Keep on posting your data Tiger please. You are by far the sanest person on these boards, I agree with you about 98% most of the time.

Thanks dude! I always appreciate it.

As I said I just wanted to present a more balanced picture and it wasn’t to prove that people thought the season actually sucked, simply that’s it’s probably a bit more complicated as well. That’s all.

I don’t doubt the season is more popular, especially when compared to last season which is EASILY the lowest rated season of the series.

But of course none of it matters just your personal feelings about it. But Lorna Dune is disappointed in the season probably moreso than a lot of people here including me. But he’s certainly not alone as proven and has the right to express it just the same.

Agreed to your terms about not assuming my preferences are shared by everyone, sir. But then, I never did. 😊

Yeah why I really enjoy talking to you because you really only discuss YOUR opinion and not obsess with other people’s thoughts.

For the life I just don’t understand why is it so hard to just to give your opinion about something without being so triggered over what anyone else says or that you feel your opinion has to part of some consensus to matter? But we see it over and over again lol.

Negative comments coming from the same people…over and over again… often in the same threads.

This episode was a really enjoyable one i loved every minute of it though i was a little disappointed by the shortness of it. Compared to the rest of the season that had episodes that were over 50 minutes long so i hope the final is a lot longer.

Jonathan Frakes again proves he is fantastic as a director and i hope he gets to direct some episodes of Starfleet Academy. The shot of Discovery cloaked and escaping the black hole’s gravity was gorgeous. A big thumbs up for the VFX team and their hard work.

Saru bringing flowers to T’rina was cute and great to see him again and President Rillak. I always enjoy seeing an away team infiltrating another ship. As it helps us the viewers get to know little more about the other team as in this case we get to know more about Breen culture.

The CGI shots of Discovery attacking the Breen Dreadnought and blasting/crashing it’s way into the shuttle bay was another gorgeous sequence. I hope we get a few more shots like that in the final.

They called this a two part finale, and… ok, sure. It’s really just episode 9 on a serialized show, so I don’t think it matters to call it a two part finale when every episode already connects.

100% this – Disco has always been a 6 episodes too many movie each season (same w/ Picard for that matter)

Something is telling me someone is about to become the new Emissary to the new worm/black hole aliens.

Sisko to return?! Whoa!

Not a chance.

lol.. yeah.. just being funny

lol if they did that I would be saying to Disco:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=okMuq-NSq0M

No haha, but I was feeling some parallels. Let’s see what’s behind the portal next week.

I quite enjoyed it. It was a bit of a stretch with how many times they needed to fool the Breen crew… I’m a bit torn about DSC finishing next week. I feel bad for the fans who say this is “their Star Trek…” They’ll miss the show. I won’t miss it… I feel the show has run its course…what’s left to do??? (FWIW, I watch each episode as they drop. I support the franchise. When DSC is successful, it helps the franchise succeed…) I’m grateful for DSC’s success in bringing us SNW, LDS, and Prodigy. One more to go…finish strong DSC, finish strong…

I am with you. No matter what you think of it now, Discovery gave us a lot!

I agree. I hope they apply what they’ve learned about how to do a season to SNW, but I don’t think very many in this writers room are moving over there. That show needs some help. But DSC Season 5 feels like they looked at PIC S3 and took some good lessons about what made it so great without feeling like they copied it. There’s a lot they dialed back on this one, and that’s appreciated.

I won’t miss it… I feel the show has run its course…what’s left to do???

One thing is setting up the new Academy show, although they may have already done that a couple seasons ago with the Tilly Academy episode.

I actually agree with your view. I am constantly up and down with this show. I am certainly a little more up with this season but it’s still not amazing for me but yes decent.

I think it will take a few years after this show is over for people to assess it better. And I will say this, based on all the past shows it will probably bold well for Discovery in the end because so far every past show seems much more loved today vs when it was on minus TOS and TNG. I separate those because I think they were just as adored when they went off the air as they are today.

The others needed more time but all seems to be generally loved today if still not by everyone obviously. Maybe that will ultimately happen with Discovery as well.

Solid episode, right in line with the season. Nothing revelatory, but adequately fun for sure, which is all I’m hoping for at this point.. Action / Adventure has made this series work for me this season in a way it never has. I’m very worried that whatever is behind the curtain will be underwhelming and / or unimaginative. We’ll see.

Have we ever seen Discovery in battle mode? Cause if not, I thought it was pretty cool with the nacelles sitting on top of the secondary hull!

I noticed that too!! I was hoping someone else spotted it too. What a neat trick with the detached nacelles.

I can’t remember seeing it in any previous episode but then again I didn’t notice it during my first viewing of this episode so it’s possible I’ve missed it before.

Naturally, now that the series is in the bin, the show finds it’s groove. But that’s tradition, I guess. This one went a lot harder than I expected. Rayner brings that ‘Lorca’ energy the series has been missing since S1. Excited for the resolution, and overall conclusion… the only real criticism being pulling Book aside, mid-mission, for one of those patented Discovery heart-to-hearts, but at least Michael lampshades that before doing it. ;)

The only good thing about this episode is that we have to endure this stupid plots for just another one. This series can’t end fast enough, because the good episodes ended in season 2, and that was a long time ago.

Is Kovich inside?

That would be something haha, if the portal leads to the infinity room.

100% Saru dies in the finale. It couldn’t be more telegraphed

Very, very doubtful.

Remember it wasn’t filmed as a finale.

Maybe not this episode, but it’s been clearly stated that there were re-shoots for the finale. I also got the vibe that we may lose Saru, but I think the finale will play out the wedding as a way to wrap everything up – think Nemesis and Troi and Riker’s wedding (just at the end, not the beginning).

Rayner DESERVES a spinoff!

I’m on board with that. I had a few moments of questioning where I stand on him around mid-season, but after this episode, I have to say I will miss him when he’s gone. Keep him and Admiral Vance, and I think you’ve got a winner.

If it wasn’t for the fact that she’s 89 and probably not in the mood for a full head of makeup anymore, I wouldn’t be at all surprised if they find Salome Jens inside that thing.

I’m not sure but was this the first time we saw those blue phaser beams fired by Discovery? They had a wonderful TOS feeling about them and finally, none of those ugly pulse phasers but a clear and continuous phaser stream like in the old days! Just a tiny detail but those are the things I get hooked on…

Weren’t Discovery’s Phasers blue when it faced off with Control?

Star Trek is so synonymous with beam weapons. Never made sense to shake that up the way JJ Trek and Discovery did.

Anthony, your recaps are always excellent and appreciated, your comment, “ They take in the moment to be dazzled by the awesome majesty of these binary primordial black holes as the secret home to the power of creation. This why they went into the final frontier, to find strange new… Oh shit, the Breen show up and tractor the cylinder into their shuttle bay. Zoink! You snooze you lose, space nerds.” — That REALLY made me laugh out loud. Well done sir!

You can always tell when he’s the writer. There’s just a different feel to his recaps.

I know NOTHING abut the finale but there are definitely hints that the Progenitor Tech is too much power for anyone to have, too much “God-Power” and I have a feeling after the awesomeness of the Progenitor Tech is fully revealed, I believe there will speeches about “No planet, no race, no person should this much power” and I’m guessing the Disco crew somehow destroy the Progenitor Tech for good so that no one can ever “Genesis” the universe(s) and then we see the new series finale, guessing there will be lots of hugging and crying, and that’s cool, that’s what this show does, it’s about the FAMILY.

…in which case the entire season will have been pointless.

Why would it be pointless? Why should the Federation have that much power? Isn’t there something about absolute power corrupts absolutely? I might have gotten the exact quote wrong. Burnham and the Disco crew should absolutely destroy the tech if given the chance … but I’m guessing there will be a big reveal where Burnham is given the opportunity to try and make peace with the Breen ..

Not remotely .

or they’ll take it all the way back to the start of time and they’ll become the Progenitors etc etc…they probably won’t let much of the crew or the ship keep kicking around in the future

I’m putting money on it taking them back to the moment Picard finds out about the progenitors at the end of “The Chase” and we encounter a CGI de-aged Picard who secretly begins the process of hiding the progenitors tech by meeting with all the scientists mentioned through the past Discovery season and showing that he ultimately inspired the whole process.

Yep, that’s what I’m thinking too. I’m also betting on a fast resolution to the progenitor problem that happens in the first 20 minutes, and then the last 30+ is the touchy/feely wrap up of the series.

Or maybe Burnham will finally find her inner strength inside and maybe she will forgive herself and stuff. Pure poetry.

Craft services on this show is awesome apparently ,…….Tilly , Adira , Helm officer , President of the Fed all look well fed …very well fed

You mean they look like …real people?

Here’s a fun fact: Powerlifters often look very round, because their musculature is adapted to lifting heavy weights above their head. They often do carry a healthy amount of fat because that’s the fuel for their muscles.

Having visible abs is a result of dehydration. That’s why bodybuilding is not the same as athletic training; it’s to create a look, not serve a purpose.

Even Olympic athletes come in different sizes and shapes, and have musculature / fat percentages attuned for their sport. Simone Biles is small and lithe, and Brittney Griner is tall and lean. One is trained to run and do springy flips across a mat, the other has to do a lot of start-and-stop running, passing and throwing.

Chase Ealey, the US women’s shot-put champ, is curvy and stocky, and incredibly strong. I’m sure she could lift you over her head before dropping you, but you seem to have already been dropped on your head as a kid.

This sort of sexist commentary isn’t welcome here.

Drop a selfie my dude.

I’m bothered by the fact that while Burnham and crew are standing around gazing at and pondering the cylinder before them, the Breen just pop in and grab it. C’mon, Discovery should have just yanked it the second it was in sight. Similarly with the transporter lock, the second it’s attached to the cylinder ZAPPP, just beam immediately!! Instead they wait around, and give Moll a chance to remove it. They just move soooo slowly, the ensuing complications are totally of their own making.

or just destroy the first part of the map in episode 2 and the universe is safe

The Breen grabbing the cylinder is the worst part of the episode if not the worst moment from the whole season. If they didn’t know the Breen were coming, that would be one thing. But knowing that they just barely beat them, they should have jumped on it as soon as they figured it out. But also, it’s a bad moment based on the fact that the Breen should not have had an easy time just warping in between two black holes and grabbing the thing that easily.

The blocking on that was really, really bad.

Is it the blocking or just the script? If the script doesn’t have them doing things like voicing concern about yanking it, there’s only so much you can do to enrich a scene like that.

The script could have cleaned up a bit I guess, but really, the scene needs to show that they’re out of range of the tractor beam and closing in as fast as they can. So yeah, they could have scripted it that way, but they also could have blocked the scene to show they were doing it. That there was urgency, that they were trying to get there and busy and talking while in action, instead of waiting on it. As it is, It makes the characters look incredibly stupid.

Yes! The Breen are right behind you; grab the thing as soon as you see it. Sheesh.

Wow, watched it again last night on CTV Sci-Fi, really enjoyed it again. Even though it was a shorter episode, the pacing really kept it fresh. The editing was superb and kept that tension going. Absolutely LOVED the chemistry between Tilly and Rayner in that scene on the bridge. I have said this before, but the addition of Callum Keith Rennie has been a huge win. He is an incredible actor. There is so much to say about this episode but it has definitely been my favourite of the season. Frakes did a wonderful job directing as always. He knows how to build tension and balance out a story. Well done!

Interdimensional god-tribbles are on the other side of that portal.

Well, well, well, another decent episode. Careful DIS, you may pull off a good season! ;)

I jest! I jest! – though loved seeing/hearing the upgraded phasers firing of the Discovery, was a cool shot. Plus, Rayner, honestly, that dude deserves a spin off or something. We’ve had more character growth and backstory for him in 9 episodes, then we have for most of the Discovery crew in 5 seasons! Hope he AT LEAST pops up in the Academy show.

Was the episode amazing? No. Was it Berman Era good? No, but DIS’ format is so different to those days, so a tad unfair. Was there some typical DIS cringy parts? Yes, BUT the positives outweighed the negatives and was a good romp. Here’s hoping the series finale pulls off a good landing.

What if Burnham actually finds a smiling koala on the other side of the portal? That would tie things up pretty neatly, I’d say…

Thank goodness for Callum Keith Rennie

***Once again Michael showed off her expertise in xenoanthropology (revealed in the series premiere) by knowing “Sarkaress” was a Breen festival, although it’s not clear why the universal translator didn’t know that as well.***

UT doesn’t translate or contextualize proper nouns.

Don’t know if this has been raised yet, but I wonder if the saltly interplay between Rayner and Tilly might be setting the stage for Rayner to be the head honcho in the upcoming Starfleet Academy series. I think he would be terrific.

Never mind. Just read that Holly Hunter will be top dog at The Academy. C’est la vie.

Not bad. Loved the shot of Discovery breaking into the shuttle bay. Exquisite high end VFX right there.

The story was well paced, just a few points off for Burnham and Book taking valuable time out of their dangerous and time sensitive mission to tell each other their feelings. It’s always so hamfisted. Ditto a little bit when Culber came to see his husband at the end and Stamets took time out from solving how he’d save the day… to reassure him. It’s nice on a human level, just clunky in a dramatic tv show with stakes (and professionalism) on the line.

Acting was solid form most of the cast. Tilly and Rayner are good together, Mary Wiseman’s line deliveries were delightful. Still do not find anything compelling about Moll or Eve Harlow’s performance.

Intrigued to see what they find on the other side of the portal!

Building on the idea that the Federation (or even just Discovery’s command crew) will realize that the Progenitor tech is too much for anyone in 3191 to be trusted with, and needing to keep it out of the Breen’s reach, my prediction is that the Discovery will be sent on yet another one-way trip – far into the future (~1,000 years or more, exact date unknown) with minimal or no crew at all, there to hold and protect the technology from falling into unworthy hands.

Maybe it will be just Burnham or Rayner who accompanies Discovery to the future. They will order Zora to maintain position and then set off to explore the future. But if Book is along, perhaps they will set off to reestablish a new Kwejian using the cuttings of the World Root, which Book received from Hy’Rell. (This may or may not require making use of the Progenitors’ tech – better if it doesn’t.)

Regardless, by some odd requirement of the time travel method employed for this trip, Discovery’s original nacelles will need to be restored as well.

And this, I submit, is how Discovery (and Zora) will – or at least could – be there waiting for Craft in Short Treks’ Calypso.

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Warning: This Article Has SPOILERS for Star Trek: Discovery Season 5, Episode 9 - "Lagrange Point"

• The Breen language was translated for first time in Star Trek: Discovery season 5, episode 9.
• Captain Burnham goes on an infiltration mission disguised as a Breen to heist the Progenitors' treasure.
• Jörg Hillebrand also translated the Betazoid language in Star Trek: Discovery season 5, episode 8.

The Breen language seen in Star Trek: Discovery has been translated for the first time. Star Trek: Discovery season 5, episode 9, "Lagrange Point" sends Captain Michael Burnham (Sonequa Martin-Green) and crew from the USS Discovery on an infiltration mission to the Breen dreadnought. Disguised as Breen, Burnham tried to heist the portal to the Progenitors' treasure held in the dreadnought's cargo bay. Star Trek: Discovery' s penultimate episode added even more understanding of the mysterious Breen in the process.

On X, Jörg Hillebrand (@gaghyogi49), who was a renowned researcher for Star Trek: Picard season 3, translated the Breen language seen on the dreadnought's display screens in Star Trek: Discovery season 5, episode 9 . For fans interested in Star Trek linguistics, this is a big step forward to being able to read Breen . Check out Hillebrand's post below.

Jörg Hillebrand also translated the Betazoid written language , which was seen for the first time in Star Trek: Discovery season 5, episode 8, "Labyrinths".

As Burnham seeks the universe's greatest treasure in Star Trek: Discovery season 5, she'll need help from a host of new and returning characters.

Star Trek: Discovery Revealed More About The Breen Than Ever Before

The breen have become great discovery villains.

The Breen memorably made their mark on Star Trek: Deep Space Nine , but Star Trek: Discovery season 5 has delved more deeply into the Breen than ever before . Thanks to Discovery , fans have now seen inside the massive Breen dreadnought and also know that the Breen are gelatinous (dubbed "Jelly Breens" by Star Trek: Discovery 's writers ) underneath their helmets and refrigeration suits. Star Trek: Discovery also revealed the 32nd century Breen Imperium is caught up in a civil war, with factions in conflict over who will be the next Breen Emperor.

Moll (Eve Harlow) killed Primarch Ruhn (Tony Nappo), L'ak's (Elias Toufexus) diabolical uncle, and took control of his faction of the Breen.

L'ak is the first Breen to fall in love with a human, Moll, and reject his culture. L'ak, who tragically died in Star Trek: Discovery season 5, episode 7, "Erigah" , is also the Breen Scion and part of the royal bloodline. Even in death, L'ak commands the Breen's loyalty, and Moll is risking her life to possibly resurrect L'ak with the Progenitors' technology , which is the power of creation. What becomes of Moll, L'ak, and the Breen, with a new enemy, Primarch Tahal, entering the quest for the Progenitors' treasure, will be revealed in the series finale of Star Trek: Discovery .

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The big bads of the final season of Star Trek: Discovery are one of the most mysterious races in all of Star Trek lore: The Breen. First mentioned with fearful reverence in Star Trek: The Next Generation, the Breen didn't actually appear until years later, in Star Trek: Deep Space Nine - but even then, only behind the cloaks of full body suits.

Now, decades after their debut, Star Trek: Discovery season 5 is bringing the Breen out of the shadows - and the "demystifying" of the species was a big topic of conversation during the show's official panel at London's MCM Comic Con this past weekend .

"We put a great deal of thought into [demystifying] the Breen, and we're very intentional about choosing them," says Star Trek: Discovery co-showrunner Michelle Paradise. "We knew that in terms of an antagonist this season, we always want to have scary antagonists - but we never just want them to be just one-note bad guys. You can see a lot of that in the Moll and L'ak characters in terms of how they were developed and how we learn more about them."

Paradise says the Breen were "very appealing" because they were relatively unexplored but still highly regarded in Star Trek canon.

"Really, they haven't been in that many episodes. They haven't been explored. But we've seen them, they've been very scary," says Paradise. "And so when you invoke the name of the Breen, that already kind of creates shudders with people."

The opportunity to define who the Breen are - both as a species and a culture - was especially appealing for Paradise and hew crew, as well as aligning with their core goal "to create the biggest obstacle for our heroes on Discovery to come up against."

Star Trek: Discovery director/executive producer Olatunde Osunsanmi says there as "a lot of trepidation" in bringing the Breen to life like this - in no small part due to the ill-defined look of the characters.

Osunsanmi said the look of the Breen were worked on by no less than three departments - the costume department, the prosthetics departmnt, and the visual effects departments. He noted that prosthetic makeup artist Glenn Hetrick went through 27 different versions before they found what they were looking for with the Breen.

"We always look back at what was done before, because it's really important for us to honor that, but at the same time we have to advance it forward with what we know about technology and where Trek is in these days," says the director. "It was a lot of fun, but the pressure - we always feel the pressure - from you and the audience to get it as exactly right as you can."

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8 New Details Star Trek: Discovery Revealed About DS9s Breen

WARNING: Contains SPOILERS for Star Trek: Discovery, season 5, episode 5, "Mirrors".

• The Breen from Star Trek: DS9 make a proper return in Discovery, revealing their secrets and motivations.
• L'ak is a unique Breen who fell in love with Moll, breaking the standard mold of his species.
• Discovery reveals the Breen have two faces, one translucent and one solid, hinting at a deeper evolution storyline.

Star Trek: Discovery season 5, episode 5, "Mirrors" reveals a raft of new details about the Breen from Star Trek: Deep Space Nine . The Breen are the latest DS9 aliens to appear in Discovery , making their proper return in the flashback sequences that fill viewers in on the backstory of Moll (Eve Harlow) and L'ak (Elias Toufexis). Written by Johanna Lee & Carlos Cisco, and directed by Jen McGowan , "Mirrors" finds Moll and L'ak stranded in interdimensional space with Captain Michael Burnham (Sonequa Martin-Green) and Cleveland Booker (David Ajala).

With the four treasure hunters forced to work together, there's a chance to reveal more about Moll and L'ak's motivations in Star Trek: Discovery season 5, episode 5 . The bombshell reveal that L'ak is actually Breen is the first of many revelations about the enigmatic Star Trek: Deep Space Nine aliens in the episode. The flashbacks to Moll and L'ak's burgeoning romance shed light on a number of aspects of Breen culture in the 32nd century , including just what sits underneath those helmets.

Star Trek: Discovery Vs. DS9's Breen Is Now Inevitable

L'ak is a breen, but he doesn't fit the mold of a traditional breen..

As Burnham and Book try to reason with Moll and L'ak, the couple reveal that they're trying to outrun an Erigah, a Breen blood bounty. This confirms to Burnham that L'ak is a Breen, albeit without the helmet and refrigeration suit . The flashbacks to how Moll and L'ak met reveal that L'ak was a member of the Breen royal family, but he didn't fit the mold . Demoted from his royal duties, L'ak was assigned to shuttle bay duty, where he met and fell in love with Moll.

In Star Trek: Deep Space Nine , Lt. Commander Worf (Michael Dorn) once stated that nobody had seen a Breen without their helmet and lived to tell the tale. The revelations about L'ak's origins mean that half the cast of Star Trek: Discovery season 5 have managed to do just that. However, as the flashbacks show, the Breen are still incredibly secretive about showing their faces, which makes L'ak a unique member of his species .

Moll Used To Sell Dilithium To The Breen Imperium

It's how she made her living during the burn.

During the time of scarcity following The Burn, Moll supplied the Breen with dilithium for use in their starships. However, Moll was cutting her dilithium supply with " impurities " , meaning that the Breen's supply was considerably watered down. Confronted about this by L'ak, Moll offered to go into business with the mold-breaking Breen to make things go smoothly. L'ak agreed, partly due to his desire to get payback for his demotion, and partly due to his immediate attraction to Moll.

Moll and L'ak became a courier couple like Burnham and Booker, giving Book hope that he could get through to his new "sister".

Moll and L'ak were eventually found out for their scam, for which the punishment was execution. However, as L'ak couldn't bring himself to kill the woman he loved, he turned on his own people, instead. In response, the Breen placed an " Erigah " on L'ak, a blood bounty that could never be cleared . While Burnham and Booker offered Federation protection from the Breen, Moll and L'ak were unconvinced that they could truly help erase the Erigah.

Star Trek: Discovery Stars Eve Harlow & Elias Toufexis Break Down Their Villainous Romance

The breen placed a blood bounty on moll and l'ak, "can they erase an erigah".

Although the Erigah was placed on L'ak, Moll refused to leave his side, meaning that the Breen blood bounty was placed on them both. This explains Booker's assessment that the couple were having fun and engaging in " cliffs-edge kind of stuff ". Moll and L'ak's devil may care attitude so far in Star Trek: Discovery season 5 is likely driven by the fact that they're on the run for their very lives . Moll and L'ak are so committed to each other that the Breen tells Burnham that he'd " rather die " than be separated from Moll in a Federation prison.

An Erigah is an aspect of Breen culture that wasn't previously mentioned in the species' multiple appearances in Star Trek: Deep Space Nine . It's therefore unclear how one collects a blood bounty, but Moll, L'ak, Burnham, and Book all seem troubled by the mention of the name. Star Trek: Discovery season 5, episode 7 is titled "Erigah", so it will presumably shed further light on the blood bounty placed on Moll and L'ak's heads, and who will attempt to collect it.

The Breen Atmosphere Is "Quite Comfortable"

Just as ds9's weyoun said it was..

It's long been speculated that the Breen lived in sub-zero temperatures, with Star Trek: Deep Space Nine characters like Gul Dukat (Marc Alaimo) and Quark (Armin Shimerman) referring to their planet as a frozen wasteland. While Moll doesn't visit the Breen homeworld in Star Trek: Discovery season 5, episode 5, she is in their territory and doesn't need to wear any protective clothing to cope with the temperatures. This, therefore, confirms something that Weyoun (Jeffrey Combs) said in DS9 season 7, episode 20, "The Changing Face of Evil".

The Breen were also said to wear refrigeration suits to cope with the higher temperatures of other planets, something which is also seemingly contradicted by Star Trek: Discovery .

The Breen were powerful allies of the Dominion in the latter stages of their war with the Federation Alliance in Star Trek: Deep Space Nine . After the Breen and the Dominion had signed their alliance, Weyoun reflected that the temperature on Breen was "quite comfortable". It was always possible that this was wry sarcasm on Weyoun's part. However, the atmosphere inside Star Trek: Discovery 's huge Imperium spaceport appears to confirm Weyoun's assessment of the temperature on Breen .

Star Trek: The Dominion War Timeline, Explained

The breen primarch is l'ak's uncle, part of the yod-thot royal caste..

Star Trek: Discovery season 5, episode 1, "Red Directive" revealed that the Breen Confederacy had become the Breen Imperium in the 800 years since the end of Star Trek: Deep Space Nine . Not much was known about the inner workings of the Breen Confederacy in DS9 , other than negotiations with the Dominion were led by Thot Gor (Todd Slayton). In the 32nd century, the Breen Imperium is run by the Yod-Thot royal caste, suggesting an ancestral link with DS9 's Breen .

One of the key members of the Breen Imperium is Primarch Ruhn (Tony Nappa), the uncle of L'ak in Star Trek: Discovery season 5. The Primarch is disgusted by L'ak's relationship with Moll and his insistence on denying his heritage . L'ak stopped short of murdering his uncle while escaping with Moll, meaning that Primarch Ruhn may return later in Discovery season 5. Especially if Moll and L'ak open negotiations with the Breen Imperium to provide them with the Progenitors' powerful technology .

The Breen Imperium Destroy The Federation In An Alternate Future

They're the "wrong hands" that the progenitors' technology must not fall into..

Star Trek: Discovery season 5, episode 4, "Face the Strange" revealed that the Breen took possession of the Progenitors' technology in a timeline where the USS Discovery never defeated the time bug . The Krenim chronophage, left over from the Temporal Wars, was supposed to keep Discovery out of the treasure hunt until Moll and L'ak could secure the Progenitors' technology. The Breen Imperium then used the powers of the Progenitors to destroy the entire Federation in one of the most striking scenes from Discovery season 5, episode 4 .

The Breen previously launched an attack on Federation Headquarters in Star Trek: Discovery season 7, episode 20, "The Changing Face of Evil".

At the opening of Star Trek: Discovery season 5, episode 5, "Mirrors", Burnham and Commander Rayner (Callum Keith Rennie) reflected on the stakes of their mission. "Mirrors" also revealed that Moll and L'ak are still determined to use the Progenitors' technology to bargain for their lives with the Breen Imperium. As Moll and L'ak escape the ISS Enterprise at the end of "Mirrors", they are more desperate than ever, making Discovery 's bleak future look like a serious possibility.

Star Trek: Discovery Reveals A Voyager Enemy Played A Big Role In The Temporal Wars

The breen do bleed, or leak, at the very least..

In Star Trek: Deep Space Nine season 5, episode 14, "In Purgatory's Shadow", Dr. Julian Bashir (Alexander Siddig) confidently states that the Breen have no liquid circulatory system . Conducting blood screenings to root out Changeling infiltrators in the Dominion prison camp, Bashir says everyone bar the Breen prisoner has been tested because they have " No blood ". Star Trek: Discovery appears to reveal that this isn't the case, as L'ak appears to bleed after falling on his own knife during the fight with Burnham .

Given the revelations about the Breens' physiology in Star Trek: Discovery season 5, episode 5, there are some possible explanations for the contradiction. Firstly, the Breen are an incredibly secretive race, who were largely unknown to the Federation in the 24th century. The Breen prisoner in Star Trek: Deep Space Nine could, therefore, have just been lying to Bashir about not having any blood . The other explanation is that L'ak isn't bleeding, rather he's leaking the gelatinous organic material that constitutes a Breen body.

The Breen Have Two Faces

One solid face, one translucent face, both green..

The biggest reveal about the Breen in Star Trek: Discovery is what they keep underneath their helmets. It's stated that a Breen has two faces; one which is translucent and gelatinous, and another which is solid and firmly humanoid. This revelation is delivered as if the viewer was already aware of such a fact, which means that Discovery doesn't dive deeper into the reasons for the Breen having two faces . Primarch Ruhn tells L'ak that the Breen have evolved past their solid forms, and that their translucent form is a sign of strength.

Star Trek: Discovery doesn't reveal what role the Breen's armor plays in maintaining their form, translucent or otherwise. Still, the idea that the Breen's softer, more vulnerable face is stronger than the hard shell is a decent sci-fi concept that will hopefully get further exploration later in Discovery season 5. However, both faces are very clearly humanoid, which heavily implies that they may also originate from the Progenitors. Whether this information will lead to peace between the Breen and the Federation remains to be seen as Star Trek: Discovery season 5 continues.

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Starfleet's Most Daring Disguises

Plenty of Starfleet crews needed to alter their appearances and present themselves as other species to embark on covert operations.

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On a mission to infiltrate an enemy dreadnaught in Star Trek: Discovery ’s " Lagrange Point ," Captain Burnham had an away team outfitted in Breen environmental suits and led them on a daring undercover assignment.

While the Breen's unwavering use of helmets aided this endeavor, plenty of previous Starfleet crews needed to alter their appearances and present themselves as other species to embark on covert operations…  

Kira Nerys Embraces the Breen

"What You Leave Behind"

Captain Burnham and her colleagues weren't the first Starfleet crew to benefit from the concealment offered by Breen uniforms, as Kira Nerys "borrowed" a Breen soldier's attire just prior to the Battle of Cardassia in Star Trek: Deep Space Nine 's " What You Leave Behind ."

Although she used a similar tactic to rescue Gul Dukat's daughter in " Indiscretion ," Kira received a Starfleet commission for her time on Cardassia, thus making her eligible for our list. Once she realized that Garak and Damar had been cornered by the Jem'Hadar, Kira posed as a friendly Breen so she could get close to the scene and dispatch the Dominion troops with relative ease.

Chakotay and Tuvok Spy on Species 8472

"In the Flesh"

This entry is a little unique, as Commander Chakotay and Lieutenant Tuvok's excursion to a Species 8472 training facility didn't require any special disguises in Star Trek: Voyager 's " In the Flesh ." In fact, the officers only discovered the space station after tracking what seemed to be a Federation subspace transmission.

After arriving, they learned that Species 8472 had recreated Starfleet Headquarters in an effort to teach their own operatives how to blend in as Humans, Vulcans, and other Alpha Quadrant species so that they could invade the Federation. Since the members of Species 8472 maintained their humanoid disguises, Chakotay and Tuvok were able to walk among them without any special alterations to their clothing or physical appearance.

Malcolm Reed Becomes a Suliban

"Detained"

With Captain Archer and Ensign Mayweather confined to a Tandaran prison alongside innocent Suliban in Star Trek: Enterprise 's " Detained ," Lieutenant Malcolm Reed paid a visit to Dr. Phlox and had his features altered so that he would appear to be yet another Suliban prisoner.

Reed beamed down to the installation, his kit outfitted with phase pistols and other gear necessary to assist with the escape. As the NX-01 distracted the Tandaran defenses, Reed linked up with Mayweather to free Archer from a Tandaran colonel's office and guide the Suliban to nearby ships. In addition to the mission's humanitarian nature, these events made Starfleet aware that the Suliban Cabal did not speak for their entire species.

Neelix Finds the Ferengi

"False Profits"

In Star Trek: Voyager 's " False Profits ," an encounter with the Barzan wormhole propelled two Ferengi into the Delta Quadrant. The U.S.S. Voyager discovered that these Ferengi had taken advantage of their predicament, as they began posing as a pre-warp culture's mythological sages and presiding over the local population.

Unable to simply take the planet's gods away without an explanation, Captain Janeway hoped to trick the Ferengi into voluntarily leaving by sending down an unexpected messenger. Given the task of pretending to be the Grand Proxy, Neelix beamed down in full Ferengi regalia and informed the two fraudulent prophets that they had been recalled by the Grand Nagus. Although Neelix had the lobes for the ruse, a scheme to murder the Grand Proxy ultimately exposed the Talaxian's true nature.

Deanna Troi Takes on the Tal Shiar

"Face of the Enemy"

Kidnapped and surgically altered to resemble a Tal Shiar officer in Star Trek: The Next Generation 's " Face of the Enemy ," Deanna Troi was understandably cautious and confused when she awoke to find herself aboard a Romulan warbird. Brought there by dissidents to facilitate the defections of high-ranking Romulans, Troi had little choice but to forge ahead rather than be exposed as a Federation citizen.

The counselor impersonated an agent named Rakal, adopting the Tal Shiar operative's menacing demeanor and doing her best to cope with the demands of a plan she never agreed to undertake. Troi immersed herself so deeply in the role that she even succeeded in temporarily deposing the Romulan vessel's commanding officer!

Michael Burnham Tests the Terran Empire

"Despite Yourself"

The Mirror Universe's Terran Empire embraced a totalitarian culture that went against everything the United Federation of Planets represented. An aversion to intense light stood as a significant physiological difference between the Terrans and the Humans of the Prime Universe, but similar outward appearances allowed individuals from each realm to exchange places without drawing much attention.

Stranded in the Mirror Universe in Star Trek: Discovery 's "Despite Yourself," the U.S.S. Discovery and its crew inherited the mantle of their counterparts aboard the I.S.S. Discovery . Michael Burnham and Ash Tyler embedded themselves to an even greater extent, boarding the I.S.S. Shenzhou in a bid to acquire information which might permit them to return to their own universe.

James T. Kirk Has a Run-in with Romulans

"The Enterprise Incident"

The Star Trek episode "The Enterprise Incident" chronicled Captain Kirk's pursuit of a Romulan cloaking device. Having fooled the Romulans into believing that Spock had killed him with the nonexistent "Vulcan death grip," Captain Kirk enlisted Dr. McCoy's surgical skills to transform his human features into those of a Romulan officer. Kirk procured a uniform from a Romulan prisoner and beamed over to the Romulan flagship.

The masquerade was designed to absolve the Federation of any blame should the captain's expedition go awry, but Spock's ability to distract the Romulan commander and Kirk's signature combat skills gave the Starfleet crew the upper hand. Kirk obtained the cloaking device, and the U.S.S. Enterprise evaded the enemy vessel long enough for Montgomery Scott to install the equipment and cloak the ship.  

Jean-Luc Picard and Data Search for Spock

"Unification, Part II"

The centuries-long rivalry between the Federation and Romulan Star Empire clearly supplied Starfleet operatives with numerous chances to pretend to be Romulans, as Captain Picard and Data also assumed Romulan identities in The Next Generation 's " Unification " two-parter.

Dr. Crusher fitted the two officers for prosthetics, while Mr. Mott designed their Romulan hairpieces. The U.S.S. Enterprise -D rendezvoused with a Klingon ship that had been dispatched to transport Picard and Data to Romulus, where they were to investigate Ambassador Spock's reasons for being on the planet. Their jaunt into the very heart of Romulan territory involved avoiding the security forces and mingling with suspicious locals, a risky endeavor which eventually brought them into contact with Ambassador Spock and the growing reunification movement.

Benjamin Sisko, Odo, and Miles O'Brien Are Captured by Klingons

"Apocalypse Rising"

In the Deep Space Nine installment " Apocalypse Rising ," a vital operation to unmask Chancellor Gowron as a Changeling imposter compelled Captain Sisko, Odo, and Chief O'Brien to go undercover as Klingons and infiltrate the most heavily fortified space station in the Klingon Empire. Worf accompanied them to share his knowledge of Klingon culture, and he emphasized the need to look and act like a Klingon.

From speaking proudly to drinking excessive amounts of bloodwine, Worf trained his friends to move seamlessly among an entire room filled with Klingon warriors. Of course, the anti-intoxicant kept the bloodwine from causing them to fall into a drunken stupor. The mission was compromised when General Martok recognized Sisko, but this led to Martok being exposed as the Klingon official who had been replaced by a Changeling.

Kathryn Janeway, Tuvok, and B'Elanna Torres Are Assimilated by the Borg

"Unimatrix Zero, Part II"

Intent on reaching a Borg ship's central plexus and releasing a nano virus that would liberate the citizens of Unimatrix Zero from the Collective, Captain Janeway beamed aboard a cube alongside Lieutenants Tuvok and Torres in Voyager 's " Unimatrix Zero ."

The three officers are soon assimilated, but that outcome was part of their plan. Armed with a neural suppressant, they were able to hold off from being fully brought within the Collective… at least until they deployed the virus. The Borg Queen had enough time to confront Janeway and threaten to eliminate all of the Borg who visited Unimatrix Zero, but the U.S.S. Voyager and Borg ship commandeered by rebellious drones intervened. Janeway, Tuvok, and Torres were rescued, and The Doctor was able to extract most of the Borg technology from their bodies.

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Star Trek: Discovery, Season 5, Episode 9: "Lagrange Point" Is Discovery's Last Classic Adventure

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Throughout Star Trek: Discovery , especially Season 5, the ship and her crew took on many of the classic missions that Gene Roddenberry's beloved universe is known for. In "Lagrange Point," directed by Star Trek legend Jonathan Frakes, the crew gets one more go-round with a familiar franchise premise. Here, they disguise themselves as aliens, sneak aboard a ship and steal nothing less than the "power of creation" itself from the Breen. With the series finale following this episode, this is likely the last time Star Trek: Discovery fans will get this sort of adventure.

All season long, the USS Discovery chased technology from the Progenitors, the alien race first revealed in Star Trek: The Next Generation 's "The Chase (Season 6, Episode 20)." These beings lived billions of years ago and "seeded" life throughout the galaxy when they took to the stars and found themselves alone. At first, this revelation was just a way for the show's creators to answer the fan quibble that most Star Trek aliens were bipedal humanoids, or human actors clearly wearing face paint and/or rubber costumes. However, Star Trek: Discovery took this idea and wove it deeper into the very fabric of Star Trek, which always argued that everyone is connected.

Meanwhile, a human woman named Moll and a Breen man named L'ak, were also after this technology. They originally planned to steal it then sell it to the highest bidder. In this case, their top client would've been the Breen Imperium. But now with L'ak dead, Moll's goals shifted from wealth to bringing her lover back to life. In this episode, she and her Breen allies beat the USS Discovery in their season-long race for Progenitors' ancient power. But after five seasons facing down multiple galaxy-wide threats, viewers should know not to count out Captain Michael Burnham and the USS Discovery crew.

"Lagrange Point's" Title Is Quite Literal

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The title "Lagrange Point" is a term that identifies how an object in space can be "parked" between the gravitational forces of two large objects. In the previous episode, "Labyrinths (Season 5, Episode 8)," Captain Burnham faked the USS Discovery's destruction and jumped away from the Breen dreadnought firing on them. After repairing the damage to the ship, they made the rest of the way to the location from the clues. There, they discover that they were caught between two primordial black holes. The ship was now in the titular Lagrange Point.

The technology they've hunted over the past nine episodes was also there, hidden in a duranium shell built by the scientists who laid the trail of clues. The Progenitors parked this technology at the Lagrange Point between these two black holes. It sat here for 800 years, waiting for their worthy successors to find it and introduce this technology to a more peaceful world.

Since their proper introduction in Star Trek: Deep Space Nine , the Breen have always been technologically superior to Starfleet. Moll's ship arrives and obtained the Progenitor's object before the USS Discovery could get it and use their spore drive to jump away .

In the immediate aftermath, the crew seems defeated, but this only makes Captain Burnham that much more determined. Like every good Star Trek series lead , she doesn't know how they're going to get out of this mess; she just knows they will . After gathering her most trusted officers, the answer is simple: a space-heist like only Star Trek can do. Disguised as Breen, they have to sneak aboard the vessel and steal the technology out from under them.

Saru Returns to Starfleet Headquarters & His Fiancée T’Rina

After an extended absence, the first officer-turned-ambassador is back in action, elias toufexis calls star trek: discovery's l'ak 'a dream come true'.

In an interview with CBR, Star Trek: Discovery actor Elias Toufexis details the tragic last stand of Season 5's major recurring antagonist L'ak.

Even after leaving the ship and the show in "Under the Twin Moons (Season 5, Episode 2)," Saru's career as an ambassador and his relationship with T'Rina were never forgotten. In the penultimate Star Trek: Discovery episode, everyone's favorite Kelpian returned with flowers for his fiancée.

But then he discovered that his crewmates were in dire straits and under threat from the Breen. Saru volunteered to force diplomatic relations with other Breen not affiliated with Moll, something that could result in his destruction. Thus, he and T'Rina were given an emotional scene in which they talk about their commitment to duty and each other.

Of all the ongoing love stories in Star Trek: Discovery , Saru and T'Rina got the most narrative real estate. Gray and Adira broke up in "Jinaal (Season 5, Episode 3)," and Captain Burnham and Cleveland Booker are still separated. For what it's worth, this episode at least features an aside where the two talk about their relationship status (or lack thereof).

That it happened on the Breen ship during the heist is one of those moments that will frustrate fans. Thankfully, instead of causing a problem, this ill-timed emotional discussion saved them from being caught in the corridors by the Breen shift change.

One thing Star Trek: Discovery did much better than previous Star Trek series is handling its ongoing romances. The serialized nature of the series' storytelling helps with that. Character relationships, like those between Saru and T'Rina or Paul Stamets and Hugh Culber , took center stage in certain episodes. It made for great moments where the characters professed what they meant to each other while still affirming their commitment to duty and service.

Star Trek: Discovery Gave Fans One Last Old-Fashioned High-Tech Heist

“lagrange point” tapped into a tradition of undercover starfleet missions, why michael burnham was right to violate star trek's most sacred rule.

In Star Trek: Discovery Season 5, Captain Michael Burnham violates a major Federation rule, but was right to do so for a reason that's not so obvious.

Dressing up like aliens and sneaking onto ships or planets is a Star Trek staple. In fact, Captain Burnham did it just two episodes ago in "Whistlespeak (Season 5, Episode 6)," with Lieutenant Sylvia Tilly. Only this time, they aren't trying to avoid breaking the Prime Directive. Now, they're venturing into hostile territory. They were able to replicate Breen uniforms thanks to their conflict in the Great Eternal Gallery and Archive, where the away teams got the Iron Man treatment for their closeups inside the Breen's helmets.

The Alpha Team, Gen Rhys and Adira Tal, have to sneak onto the bridge, which turns out to be the easier of the two tasks. This gives the unsure Ensign Tal a chance to prove themselves as a capable Starfleet officer, though they were the only person they had to convince of that. The Bravo Team, Book and Captain Burnham, make their way through hallways, encountering suspicious Breen along the way.

Beyond being classic Star Trek fun, these sneaking missions allow the characters to shine. Michael again drew on her background in xenoanthropology to figure out some untranslated words from the Breen. Book caused a distraction by flirting with a Breen guard while Michael tried to take down the forcefield that blocked them from the Progentiors' technology.

Ultimately, the episode ends with Captain Burnham and Moll diving into the unknown, a perfect set up for next week's series finale. In the meantime, the crew gets to show off their Starfleet prowess, from those on the away team to those on the ship. Seeing the USS Discovery barrel towards the Breen dreadnought and into the larger hangar bay to rescue the crew and try to get the technology was one of the better action sequences of this year. Frakes's direction and the visual effects team outdid themselves with the big and small moments of "Lagrange Point."

Commander Rayer Steps up & Eventually Sits Down (In the Captain’s Chair)

After a rough start, commander rayner now has the crew’s respect and loyalty, 'she's almost died a couple times': star trek: discovery star on tilly's season 5 journey.

In an interview with CBR, Mary Wiseman talks about bringing Tilly back in a Star Trek: Discovery Season 5 episode that almost killed her... again.

The show's most prominent newcomer, Commander Rayner , replaced Saru as the ship's first officer. He and Sylvia Tilly brushed up against each other early on, but this episode shows how that's changed with time. He names Tilly as his acting First Officer when Captain Burnham puts him in command of the ship. Throughout this season, he hasn't sat in the Captain's chair, at least since losing his own command.

Commander Rayner finally took the captain's hair in this episode, but only after Tilly and the crew affirmed their trust in his ability to lead. This was a beautiful payoff to Commander Rayner's season-long arc, which saw him step out of his comfort zones to win his new crew's faith in him. His plan to go into head-to-head combat with the Breen dreadnought was risky, but it was another bit of classic Star Trek action. Firing everything the ship had, the USS Discovery was almost destroyed but survives as so many ships do, on the will of her crew alone.

But now with Captain Burnham being declared MIA (Missing In Action) inside an "extra-dimensional portal," there's not much Commander Rayner, Saru or anyone in Starfleet can do to get her back. Audiences also find themselves in the same quandary and, much like USS Discovery's crew, can only hope for the best when Star Trek: Discovery returns for the last time next week.

Star Trek: Discovery's series finale will debut May 30, 2024, on Paramount+, where it will stream with the rest of the completed Star Trek series.

Star Trek: Discovery

• Brilliant action and cinematic visual effects give the episode an epic feel.
• Excellent use of the ensemble characters, both on the away mission and on the ship.
• Moved the story forward while evoking a classic Star Trek scenario.
• Saru's return bears the hallmark of storytellers stalling (or saving budget).
• The subject of Rayner's hesitation to take the captain's chair could've been examined more.
• Moll's disappointment in the destruction of Discovery last episode wasn't examined at all.

After Star Trek, Doug Jones Is Ready To Play Humans Again

As Star Trek: Discovery ends, the actor reflects on his journey through the Final Frontier, and his future sans prosthetics.

Even if you’ve never seen Doug Jones as Mr. Saru in Star Trek: Discovery, you know who Doug Jones is. Or rather, you’ve seen Doug Jones move , in some TV show or film. From the creature in The Shape of Water, to The Pale Man in Pan’s Labyrinth, to the Baron in What We Do in the Shadows , Jones has made an impressive career playing Silver Surfers, ghouls, and for the past five seasons of Discovery , a Kelpien, who walks as though he has hooves inside of his platform boots.

“After this, I’m going to be a bit more selective about what’s being glued to my face,” Jones says with a laugh. But, he’s also not kidding. As Saru in Discovery , Jones has had one of the most difficult jobs of any science fiction actor, ever. Not only was he encased utterly in his Kelpien makeup for five seasons of Trek, he also was, essentially, the second major protagonist of the show, second only to Michael Burnham (Sonequa Martin-Green). If she’s the Kirk of Discovery , Saru is very much the Spock.

As Discovery airs its series finale , Inverse caught up with Doug Jones to get his thoughts on his entire Star Trek journey, why he was missing from the middle of Discovery Season 5, and what’s next on his own continuing mission. Spoilers ahead for Star Trek: Discovery Season 5.

Saru (Doug Jones) and former Enterprise crewmember Nhan (Rachael Ancheril) prepare for a dangerous mission in the finale of Star Trek: Discovery .

More than perhaps any other Star Trek character to date, Saru has had a lot of different jobs throughout the story of Discovery . From Season 1 to Season 3 alone, he went from science officer to first officer, to captain. “I was the captain of the Starship Discovery in Season 4!” he says with a grin. “But, then when Burnham had taken the captaincy, I decided to act as her first officer. But the question was, how long do keep a captain in the first officer position?”

Jones suggests that in between Season 4 and Season 5, it was clear to him and the writers that “a promotion of some sort” was needed for Saru. But, because Saru has a “big heart for finding small planets and helping them grow,” it was decided that he would become a Federation ambassador in Season 5. “It just made sense,” Jones says. “It was a good professional fit, and it enabled him to see his now-fiancée, President T’Rina.”

In-universe, this meant that Saru was absent for pretty much the middle of Discovery Season 5, returning for the last two episodes to tell off the Breen , and, ultimately, to get married to his Vulcan love, T’Rina. For a character who began as a cowering “prey species,” in Discovery Season 1, the notion that Saru would finish strong, as a gentle warrior, full of romance, is something Jones is very proud of, and he felt that Season 5 was the perfect place for Discovery to stop, at least for his character.

“When we were promoting the earlier seasons, when journalists would ask me what I wanted to see in Saru’s future, I’d always mention I’d love for him to have a romance storyline,” Jones says. “To see that come to fruition was glorious for me. He went from living in fear to living a life of courage and confidence. He’s a badass when he wants to be, but he’s also still ever the gentleman he always was. When we were filming the wedding scene for Season 5, I thought: I don't know where Saru goes from here, because he's really happy right now. So, when they said that that was our final season, I was like, well, I’m satisfied with where Saru is.”

The wedding of T’Rina and Saru is part of Discovery’s happily-ever-after, ending.

Jones also explains that his absence from the middle of Discovery Season 5 was to give himself a much-needed break from the rigorous process of playing the character.

“I was able to have some doctor visits. I’m fine, don't worry about it,” he says with a wave of the hand. “But when you're in your sixties and if you’re in Canada and not using your own health insurance for many months at a time, it’s nice to come home for a bit. And during that time I was able to promote Hocus Pocus 2 and shoot a human character for a show called Destination Heaven . It was a stress-free light load. And then, I was able to return to Discovery after having had that rest.”

Jones also says he filmed his final scenes for What We Do in the Shadows during his Discovery break and mentions that it was strange to be working on two final seasons of TV shows at the same time. He also mentioned that as the ancient vampire known as The Baron, his look on What We Do in Shadows has changed several times. But, the most recent version, as the Baron was revitalized, was without any makeup at all. “I've been through four looks on that show, and the last one of course is me with a wig,” he says with a laugh. “I love it. Just love it.”

While Jones knows he’ll forever be associated with Star Trek, and calls the fans “a gift,” he is, nonetheless, ready to be out of makeup, and uniform, for a while. It’s been a long journey for Discovery , but clearly, Jones has earned a much-deserved break. “I’d be open to playing a human character on another Star Trek,” he says. “It would just be a question of, what’s the character? What’s the commitment? But now that I’m in my 60s, I’m exploring more human characters than ever before.”

Star Trek: Discovery is streaming on Paramount+.

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Star Trek: Discovery trailer teases series finale ‘Life, Itself’

May 28, 2024 by Amie Cranswick

With Star Trek: Discovery set to come to an end on Thursday, a trailer has arrived online for the sci-fi drama’s series’ finale, titled ‘Life, Itself’; check it out below…

“In Star Trek: Discovery’s series finale episode, “Life, Itself,” trapped inside a mysterious alien portal that defies familiar rules of time, space, and gravity, Captain Burnham must fight Moll – and the environment itself – in order to locate the Progenitors’ technology and secure it for the Federation. Meanwhile, Book puts himself in harm’s way to help Burnham survive and Rayner leads the U.S.S. Discovery in an epic winner-takes-all battle against Breen forces.”

The fifth and final season will find Captain Burnham and the crew of the U.S.S. Discovery uncovering a mystery that will send them on an epic adventure across the galaxy to find an ancient power whose very existence has been deliberately hidden for centuries. But there are others on the hunt as well — dangerous foes who are desperate to claim the prize for themselves and will stop at nothing to get it.

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Star Trek: Discovery  season five features Sonequa Martin-Green (Captain Michael Burnham), Doug Jones (Saru), Anthony Rapp (Paul Stamets), Mary Wiseman (Sylvia Tilly), Wilson Cruz (Dr. Hugh Culber), David Ajala (Cleveland “Book” Booker), Blu del Barrio (Adira) and Callum Keith Rennie (Rayner). Season five also features recurring guest stars Elias Toufexis (L’ak) and Eve Harlow (Moll).

About Amie Cranswick

Amie Cranswick has been part of Flickering Myth’s editorial and management team for over a decade. She has a background in publishing and copyediting and has served as Editor-in-Chief of FlickeringMyth.com since 2023.

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