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Kawasaki Voyager 1700 vs Goldwing: Comparing Two of the Best Touring Motorcycles

When it comes to long-distance touring motorcycles, the Kawasaki Voyager 1700 and Goldwing are two of the most popular and highly regarded options on the market.

Both bikes have fans who swear by them, and both offer impressive performance, comfort, and convenience features.

But how do these two bikes compare when stacked up side by side?

Performance

When it comes to performance, the Kawasaki Voyager 1700 and Goldwing are both impressive machines.

The Voyager 1700 comes with a 1,700cc V-twin engine that delivers plenty of power and torque, while the Goldwing features a 1,833cc flat-six engine that’s known for its smoothness and reliability.

In terms of acceleration, the Goldwing is the clear winner. Its six-cylinder engine and advanced electronic systems give it plenty of grunt off the line, while the Voyager 1700 can feel a bit sluggish by comparison.

However, when it comes to handling and maneuverability, the Voyager 1700 has the upper hand. Its lower center of gravity and more compact dimensions make it easier to handle at low speeds and in tight spaces.

The Goldwing, on the other hand, can feel a bit top-heavy and cumbersome in these situations.

Comfort and Convenience

When it comes to long-distance touring, comfort, and convenience are key factors to consider. Both the Voyager 1700 and Goldwing are designed with these principles in mind, but they take slightly different approaches to achieve them.

The Goldwing is known for its luxurious amenities, including heated grips, a premium sound system, and an electrically adjustable windscreen and suspension.

It also has a large, plush saddle that’s ideal for all-day riding. However, all these features come at a price- the Goldwing is significantly heavier and bulkier than the Voyager 1700.

The Kawasaki Voyager 1700, on the other hand, is a bit more spartan in its amenities but makes up for it with its lighter weight and more nimble handling.

It still comes with a range of features like a tour pack, passenger backrest, and cruise control, but it’s not quite as luxurious as the Goldwing.

However, for riders who prioritize maneuverability and agility over outright luxury, the Voyager 1700 is hard to beat.

Reliability and Maintenance

When you’re investing in a touring motorcycle, reliability is a top priority. Both the Kawasaki Voyager 1700 and Goldwing are built to last, with high-quality components and durable construction.

However, the Goldwing’s flat-six engine has a reputation for being virtually bulletproof, with many examples logging hundreds of thousands of miles without any major issues.

The Voyager 1700’s V-twin engine is also reliable, but it’s not quite as legendary as the Goldwing’s powerplant.

In terms of maintenance, both bikes require regular servicing to keep them running at their best. However, the Goldwing’s more complex electronics and advanced features can make it slightly more costly to maintain than the simpler Voyager 1700.

Price and Value

Ultimately, the price and overall value of these two bikes will be a key consideration for many prospective buyers.

The Goldwing is undoubtedly the more expensive of the two, with a base price that’s typically several thousand dollars higher than the Voyager 1700.

However, it does come with a range of premium features that may justify the extra cost for some riders.

The Voyager 1700, on the other hand, is priced more affordably and represents an excellent value for riders who prioritize practicality and maneuverability over luxury amenities.

In the end, choosing between the Kawasaki Voyager 1700 and Goldwing comes down to your personal preferences and priorities as a rider. If you value a plush ride, top-of-the-line amenities, and sheer power and acceleration, the Goldwing is a clear choice.

However, if you prioritize nimble handling, practicality, and overall value, the Voyager 1700 is the motorcycle for you.

No matter which bikes you choose, both the Kawasaki Voyager 1700 and Goldwing represent some of the best and most reliable touring motorcycles on the market today.

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I have an opportunity to purchase a 2002 Voyager XII with 4,700 miles on it. In researching the cycling press reviews a recurring compliant is the tendancy to "wander back and forth" and have a hard time maintaining a straight line. What has been the experience of some of you who own Voyagers in this regard? Is it true? Is it correctable and if so, how? Also, is an intercom standard on all models? I have been unable to find any intercom connections on this bike.  

I've ridden dozens of them and never once has that crossed my mind.  

I own a 2000 voyager. They run great, but the front end does wander a little. You can get a superbrace which supposedly fixes it. The superbrace costs about $100. I love the bike and the way it rides. It is tight in corners and runs straight. The only time it wanders is on very bumpy roads. I have not riden a bike yet that doesn't Basil  

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My wife and I tour on a 1988 Voyager XII. It doesn't wander. The fork brace would be nice as the forks DO flex a bit in hard corners but the bike doesn't wander in a straight line. I personally would have liked to have taller front and rear tires (they are 16" and 15" respectively) for a better ride as the smaller diameter tires ride a bit harsher over choppy roads than do taller tires... I always liked the 19" / 18" combo but it isn't that much of a problem. The AVA site and links to the Wizard's site from there will provide about as much tech stuff on the Voyager as you can stand.  

DrJ said: I have an opportunity to purchase a 2002 Voyager XII with 4,700 miles on it. In researching the cycling press reviews a recurring compliant is the tendancy to "wander back and forth" and have a hard time maintaining a straight line. What has been the experience of some of you who own Voyagers in this regard? Is it true? Is it correctable and if so, how? Also, is an intercom standard on all models? I have been unable to find any intercom connections on this bike. Click to expand...

First off ,straight line tire tread will make ANY bike wander, go for cross pattern always... Second, airshocks need to be adjusted to load conditions, dah! I have 25yrs experiance on roadbikes, with 40,000 miles on my 2000 Voyager XII alone. Anybody says they can't drive in a streight line on a Voyager needs to stop drinking and driving !!!  

I've owned 2003 and no issues. Note my only bad happening with the bike is the air shocks must be adjusted with correct air pressure. I had it lose air pressure on bumpey road, noted after a stop I started out and found out front end was total mess.... could not maintain control till i placed air in front shocks carry small pump now!! This was a crash happening moment so Voayager riders beware! Air Shocks need to be looked at and maintenance done.  

armrests I have looked all over for armrests for my 2001 voyager with no luck anyone know where I could get some? Thx:smile:  

try OEM Parts Kawasaki Voyager XII (ZG1200-B15) 2001 2001 ZG1200-B15 (QI) KMM.LUMINOUS VINTAGE RED / PEARL LUSTER BEIGE - Cheap Cycle Parts  

armrest thx went on the site didn't see any armrest for the voyager just the wings. Also their is no image when you log on. Was trying to get a set before rolling thunder. I looked on the whole website and couldn't find any. Meatloaf  

Arm rests for the Voyager XII can be done using the Honda GL1200 Arm Rests sold on e-Bay: Passenger Arm Rests Goldwing GL1200 - eBay (item 380316378520 end time Feb-19-11 19:11:48 PST) . They attach using a bolt, just below the passenger seat, along the frame. They are pretty much a universal arm rest -- they can be attached to any bike that has a bolt in the right place... I bought mine, brand new, after-market accessory, for around $130. I used them on my 1979 Honda CB750K, first, then I moved them to my 1993 Voyager, when I bought it as my main touring machine. They are fully adjustable, except for vertically. I bolted them onto my Voyager, and they are at the perfect height. Wouldn't ride without them. Cheers!  

I test rode one a 2002 Voyager II priced at $4k (32k miles) and the noisy transmission turned me off. Kawasaki uses straight cut gears that are more durable and noisier. They are a great used motorcycle value for sure. Afterwards i test rode a 2006 Honda Goldwing with only 8k miles. There was nothing I did not like about that Goldwing. But, the dealer was asking $17,900 for it. The Goldwing has a much lower center of gravity than the Voyager and is easier to handle around town.  

I ride a 1999 Voyager. I had a set of Dunlop tires on it that made the ride fell like mush. I upgraded to Contenental's with stiffer sidewall and it made a big diffrence, (Road rain groves are less noticable). Also added a Superbrace. I watch the air pressure in the shocks but it doesent need adjusting very often. On my trip down The Dragon Run I was quit impressed with the handling, Fully loaded and two up. This Spring I will replace the fork oil, Seems to be some confusion on the proper amount to have in the forks, but I will sort that out. All and All very happy with this bike. 1/3 the price of a Wing.  

The proper amount of oil in Voyager XII forks is 335 cc per leg, and 15w or 20w fork oil. This info was told to me by the service manager at my kaw dealership.  

My '95 VII does wonder a bit. It tends to follow the contour of the surface I am riding it on, but I just go with the flow. Of course, it has 80,000 miles on it and I am running a B.F. Goodrich GT Radial on the back and it has 30,000 miles on it. It really wonders when I bolt the sidecar to it. I have a new pair of E3's out in the shop which I will be putting on in the very near future. That might improve the handling a bit. It might need wheel and steering head bearings. I almost bought a GL1500 this week, but I wasn't fast enough. Oh well, I still have my $6000 and I don't think the VII will leave me stranded for at least another 50,000 miles.  

I have owned 2 Voyager 12s. Tire tread will make for a slight wander when driving straight. Highway tread will end that problem. The noisey transmision is a simple adjustment ( I remember living with the whine for a complete 10,000 mile trip). The Voyager 12 is one of the lightest full up cruisers and you must adjust rear shocks when loading it down. That said if traveling any stretches of dirt or gravel road I preferred it by far over my GW.  

You may also want to try putting progressive springs in front shocks.  

i have 2001 voyager 28,000 miles getting noise, sounds like from final drive anybody have similar condition?  

DrJ said: I have an opportunity to purchase a 2002 Voyager XII with 4,700 miles on it. In researching the cycling press reviews a recurring compliant is the tendency to "wander back and forth" and have a hard time maintaining a straight line. What has been the experience of some of you who own Voyagers in this regard? Is it true? Is it correctable and if so, how? Also, is an intercom standard on all models? I have been unable to find any intercom connections on this bike. Click to expand...

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Thinking about adding either a Voyager or Goldwing to the stable. I know several members on here have the Goldwing. Anyone with experience with the Voyager? Headed for test rides next week. Thoughts and opinions appreciated.  

I have no personal experience with either bike, but I like the looks of the Voyager. I"ve heard great things about the goldwing, but they say it's not as comfortable for taller riders. -Josh  

I was at a bike show at the local dealer last night, sat on a goldwing. I am only 6' but damn that thing was the most cramped, uncomfortable bike I have ever been on. Me knees were way to high and I felt too close to the bars. If I was going to look at dressers I would look at a victory cross country as well. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk  

Have had goldwings for years great bikes and comfortable, easy to maintain and very reliable, but have been looking at a used voyager for a few weeks now...  

The Goldwing is a very capable tourer,the best in the world. Its rock solid and dependable but, for me anyway, it never felt like I was riding a motorcycle. The best description I have heard is that it is like a cross between a Porsche and an electric motor. and the riding position made me feel like the old ditty on the bicycle in the wizard of OZ. All kidding aside, you will never go wrong with a wing it's just my opinion as a current owner. I have to tell you however that will change as of next Friday I will be picking up my 2012 Victory Cross Country. Do yourself a favor and take one for a test ride before you buy anything. I am going to one bike and did a "two fer" swap for my 2008 M190R and my 2006 Goldwing. I was getting too long in the tooth for the 109 and the Wing was making me feel like it...lol Good luck with your decision. The picture is not my bike but identical, it is having a Klok-werks tinted flip shield,heated seats, grips and Stage One exhaust installed. Can't wait!  

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ironman7325 said: The Goldwing is a very capable tourer,the best in the world. Its rock solid and dependable but, for me anyway, it never felt like I was riding a motorcycle. The best description I have heard is that it is like a cross between a Porsche and an electric motor. and the riding position made me feel like the old ditty on the bicycle in the wizard of OZ. All kidding aside, you will never go wrong with a wing it's just my opinion as a current owner. I have to tell you however that will change as of next Friday I will be picking up my 2012 Victory Cross Country. Do yourself a favor and take one for a test ride before you buy anything.I am going to one bike and did a "two fer" swap for my 2008 M190R and my 2006 Goldwing. I was getting too long in the tooth for the 109 and the Wing was making me feel like it...lolGood luck with your decision.The picture is not my bike but identical, it is having a Klok-werks tinted flip shield,heated seats, grips and Stage One exhaust installed. Can't wait! Click to expand...

father inlaw has a goldwing and while i was inbetween bikes he lent it to me , im 6' and two up it feltlike a sardine can was the most uncomfortable bike i have eva ridden  

Damn, that white/beige Kaw is AWESOME looking!  

I'm a Fan of The Voyager . . . And LOVE The Vaquero Great looking bike and a bargain compared to others in the class . . .  

Goldwing riding position I have a 1500 Goldwing and a M109, and the riding position is radically different, but it's funny, if I ride one for awhile, it feels normal and the other feels weird. If I have a long day on the bike planned, I'll take Wing, it's really not as tiring for me. The pure grunt of the 109 surprises me after a few days on the Wing. I'm sure the Kawasaki is a great bike too, but why have 2 V twins? The Wing's 6 cylinder is like no other bike. I removed the muffler resonators and it sounds pretty good to my ears. You might consider a 1998 or newer 1500 with Markland floorboards and readjusted handlebars if you're tall, lots of nice ones out there for $6 K or so. For $25 to $30 K you could have three bikes and a ski boat!  

With all due respect: Neither. M109R rules. :bigthumbsup:  

Good point CBR... Now the Victory Cross Country has crept into the picture. :dontknow: I'm just gonna have to add it to my test drive/ride list. The 9 will certainly be my "daily rider". Wanting something for the longer trips.  

Ride one and you'll own one is more than hype.  

Dress-up a C109 like I did. I do like the voyager though. The torque numbers are fine but the hp is lacking.  

Just a little more info for you, the llocal Victory dealer had demo days this past weekend and I've been wanting to try a few out so Ihopped on a Victory Cross country for a 20min ride. It was set up with the 106engine, fairing with radio and extras & cruise control which I didn"t get to use. Have to say that it was very smooth and shifted pretty good, power wise was better than I thought it would be but not quite the 109. Handling seemed to be very easy especially in the curves overall it was a very nice ride and priced around $17-19K. Rode a Cross Roads also, pretty much the same but without fairing and extras. Definitely worth considering.  

Gold wing! The Kaw. has no balls! I've driven both.  

IMHO go with the Victory CC. If you are a peg grinder no cruiser comes closer than the Vic. None are going to have the power of a 9er. Riding 2up I will blow past the wings, kaws and HD. Just got an email from Victory. 2012 Red Tag Cleance through Sep 30 2012 with some decent incentives. BTW, test ride em all at Freedom Powersports in GA.  

Victory_Rider said: IMHO go with the Victory CC. If you are a peg grinder no cruiser comes closer than the Vic. None are going to have the power of a 9er. Riding 2up I will blow past the wings, kaws and HD. Just got an email from Victory. 2012 Red Tag Cleance through Sep 30 2012 with some decent incentives. BTW, test ride em all at Freedom Powersports in GA. Click to expand...

Hmm Friend of mine had a wing. Said in a cross wind, he feared for his life. Said thye wind moved him around so much he wouuldn't ride if it was going to be windy out. He switched to a Victory, and loves it.  

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Kawasaki Voyager 1700 Vs Goldwing: Which One You Should Choose?

Both Kawasaki Voyager 1700 and Goldwing are two powerful touring motorcycles. These bikes can give you thrilling riding experiences with their impressive features. Besides, you will get outstanding performances from these bikes.

All the amazing features and performance levels may confuse you to choose the right bike for you. There are plenty of similarities between the two bikes. However, you will find some differences between the Kawasaki Voyager 1700 vs Goldwing. 

Are you looking for the perfect one of these two bikes? Well, we will get into Kawasaki Voyager 1700 vs Goldwing. Here, we will discuss the technology, features, performances, engine power, and price comparison of these bikes. Additionally, you will also know some reviews of the riders of the bikes. Finally, you can decide to buy the right bike for you.

Kawasaki Voyager 1700 Specs:

Honda gold wing specs:, technology and features of kawasaki voyager 1700 vs goldwing.

Both the Kawasaki Voyager 1700 and Goldwing have interesting features and updated technology. In terms of safety features, both bikes are very sensitive.

The Voyager 1700 has an infotainment system that keeps you connected on the ride. The most impressive technological features of it include Bluetooth connectivity, GPS navigation, and even voice command functionality. These technological features will help you during the ride. You will also get valuable information during those long stretches of highway.

Meanwhile, the Goldwing takes tech to a whole new level. It provides the riders with an impressive Apple Car Play integration. Therefore, the riders can seamlessly connect their iPhones to access music and messaging apps. Moreover, they can make calls without taking their eyes off the road.

The Kawasaki Voyager 1700 is equipped with advanced traction control. Therefore, it can ensure optimal grip in various road conditions. It also boasts an intelligent cruise control system. Thus the riders can automatically adjust speed based on traffic ahead. 

On the other hand, the Goldwing has also useful safety features. It offers an array of safety features such as ABS brakes and an airbag system. You can immediately control the power with the help of ABS brakes. The airbag system adds additional protection in case of accidents.

The Differences of Kawasaki Voyager 1700 vs Goldwing

There are a few key differences between Kawasaki Voyager 1700 and Goldwing. You will find the differences in engine power and performances. We will also discuss the handling, safety differences and price compassion too.

Comparison Table: Kawasaki Voyager 1700 vs. Honda Gold Wing

Comparison of engine power and performance.

Both the Kawasaki Voyager 1700 and the Goldwing have their unique strengths in engine power. The Voyager 1700 has a massive 1,700cc V-twin engine. It can deliver impressive torque and acceleration. This engine allows riders to effortlessly ride on highways and long-distance journeys.

On the other hand, the Goldwing boasts a slightly smaller but still formidable. It has a 1,833cc flat-six engine. This bike offers a good riding experience with its smooth power delivery and refined performance. It is very useful in open roads or city traffic. The Goldwing ensures effortless control during the navigation of city traffic.

Both bikes excel in terms of power and performance. Therefore, the choice of the bike depends on personal preference. Some riders may prefer the raw strength of the Voyager’s V-twin engine. It can give the classic feel and thunderous roar. Others go with the smoother ride of the Goldwing’s flat-six engine.

Comfort and Handling Differences

When it comes to comfort and handling, both bikes are excellent. The Kawasaki Voyager 1700 and the Goldwing offer exceptional features. 

The Voyager 1700 is well known for its plush seating and ergonomic design. It provides a comfortable ride even on long journeys. Its adjustable windscreen helps reduce wind buffeting. It also offers ample storage space for all your essentials. The bike’s responsive handling ensures smooth maneuverability on various road conditions.

On the other hand, the Goldwing takes luxury to another level. Besides, it provides an advanced suspension system that absorbs bumps effortlessly. Its heated seats and grips add an extra layer of comfort during colder rides. The bike’s nimble handling helps you to navigate tight corners with a breeze.

Price Comparison

In terms of price comparison, the Voyager 1700 generally has a lower price. The price of the Goldwing is comparatively higher. The 2023 Honda Gold Wing price is $25,600. It is almost $6000 more than Kawasaki Voyager 1700 which is approximately $19,799. 

As you see, Honda Gold Wing is 25% pricier than Voyager 1700. So, you must be careful about your budget in choosing these bikes. However, it’s important to consider some other costs. Additional accessories or customization options can impact the overall cost.

You should not choose the bikes based on the price comparison between these two bikes only. You must give priority to personal preference and riding style. Test rides are highly recommended to determine which bike suits you best.

Real-world Reviews from Riders

Before purchasing a motorcycle you need to hear the opinions of those who have ridden the bikes. It is very important to find out the reviews from the riders. So, we scoured online forums and communities to gather some real-world reviews. The reviews are from riders who have experienced both the Kawasaki Voyager 1700 and the Goldwing. 

Most of the riders have praised the Kawasaki Voyager 1700 for its powerful engine. They also like the smooth performance on long rides. They mentioned that even at high speeds, this bike remained stable and provided a comfortable riding experience. It also offers an excellent wind protection during windy conditions.

On the other hand, several riders liked the Goldwing’s luxurious features and outstanding comfort. Most of the riders like its spacious seating arrangement. It is very impressive for both riders and passengers. Thus they can feel like a breeze in a long trip. Additionally, multiple riders commented on how well-balanced while maneuvering through city traffic.

However, there were also mixed reviews regarding handling preferences between these two bikes. Some riders preferred the sportier feel of the Kawasaki Voyager 1700. They claimed that it offered better cornering capabilities compared to the Goldwing. But others favored the smoother ride of the Goldwing touring motorcycle.

Mostly, people mentioned Gold Wing from Honda as “poor man’s BMW and a cheaper version of Harley Davidson Tourers”

These real-world reviews showcased different perspectives on the bikes. Potential buyers need to take into account their riding style. Also, personal comfort requirements are important when deciding between these two iconic models.

Which Bike is Right for You?

We have compared the technology and features, engine power and performance, comfort and handling of the Kawasaki Voyager 1700 vs Goldwing. Besides, you have known the real-life reviews from the riders. Now it is to find out the right bike for you.

Some riders may be fond of technology and advanced features such as smartphone connectivity and integrated navigation systems. In this case, the Goldwing might be your perfect match. It has an amazing design combined with its host of technological advancements. Therefore, it can be a top choice for those seeking a modern riding experience.

If you prioritize raw power and performance on the open road, then you can go with Kawasaki Voyager 1700. This bike can provide an exhilarating ride with its impressive engine capacity and torque output. 

When it comes to comfort and handling, both bikes offer exceptional levels of rider comfort. Meanwhile, the Kawasaki Voyager 1700 boasts comfortable ergonomics designed to reduce fatigue during long rides. Choosing the right bike depends on your personal preferences and priorities as a rider. 

You will take into account factors such as technology, desire for power, or speed. You will also pay attention to the level of importance placed on comfort during long rides and budget constraints. After that, you can make the perfect decision of buying the right bike for you.

Both bikes have their unique qualities and strengths. In this article, we have compared the features and effectiveness of Kawasaki Voyager 1700 and Goldwing. Both bikes have different features. Hope you have got an idea for both bikes.

We’ve explored all aspects of Kawasaki Voyager 1700 vs Goldwing. It’s time for you to decide which one will accompany you on your next adventure.

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Tell me about the Goldwing - GL1200 and GL1500

Discussion in ' Road Warriors ' started by The PacRat , Jul 11, 2009 .

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I've never ridden one but I find myself considering one. I'd like to hear from GL1200 and GL1500 riders - the Gl1800 is well out of my price range. They look like they are big, comfy and FUN. How hard are they to work on? How reliable? What about basic maintenance? (oil/filter/air filter/etc) What is the handling like? Good points / Bad point? What are the big differences between the GL1200 and the GL1500 (besides 2 cylinders). MPGs? Pics are welcome. Thanks

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Goldwings are indeed big and comfy, but I don't know about fun. I love my old Goldwing but it's the most boring bike I've owned in 40 years of riding. Nothing beats them for racking up road miles dependably and smoothly. You need to try one for a day or two to get a feeling for what they're like. I just finished a 5000 mile road trip on mine and didnt even have to top up the oil. Q

nedodjija Been here awhile

Get a Yamaha Venture 1300 instead. It is faster than any of the bikes you mentioned before and it has better handling. I owned one and rode lots of miles on my buddy's 1200 and 1500. Yamaha has V4 engine that has plenty of pep to it. It is more fun through the town and I had 100K on mine with plenty of life left. They do not hold their value as good as GLs but I loved the bike. Take it for a spin if you know someone who has it and you will not regret it.

CajunRider Been here awhile

advtek said: How hard are they to work on? How reliable? What about basic maintenance? (oil/filter/air filter/etc) What is the handling like? Good points / Bad point? What are the big differences between the GL1200 and the GL1500 (besides 2 cylinders). MPGs? Click to expand...

Thanks Cajun - I would imagine that a GIANT, HEAVY bike is a bit different. I do like the comparison though. I happen to drive an extended cab diesel, so I get it. Nedodjija - I looked at some info about the Venture. Looks cool, but it's not a Goldwing, so it would be in far second place. I am already sold on Honda's reliability. Thanks for the info so far - hoping some owners will chime in.

GarageCall Been here awhile

Gold Wing History from Steve Saunders: http://www.goldwingfacts.com/goldwinghistory.htm ....and I have a dually diesel too (GMC K3500)!

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I have owned two GL1200s, very good bikes but be sure the stator has been replaced this is the only real thing that goes wrong with them. The 1500 is ok to but bigger and bulkier imo. They will go for many miles and have a great classic look to them.

gaff Been here awhile

I wouldn't worry too much about the stator problem. You will be better off putting a external alternator on. Just Google GL 1200 alternator replacement , I think the guy that makes a kit for it goes by "poorboy" The GL1100 and 1200 are both great bikes.

Did the GL1200 have a reverse gear? Just how do they work? (I am pretty sure I would need one as I have to back into a tight parking space.)

bipbap Well.........

I had my 1991 since 1992, about 35,000 miles, which means not a lot of miles. The bike is really designed to do one thing and it does it really well. And that is go down the interstate with two people in comfort, bringing a ton of their stuff. According to my mechanic, it is not easy to work on, but it rarely needs anything done to it. One half of the headlight finally burnt out last year and the windshield is fogging pretty badly now. That's about it for mine. If you like 2-up, this bike will spoil your passengers. The only reason I still have this bike is that ladies want to ride on the back of it. It has great tip over protection, which is overlooked often. Certainly, it does not turn or brake or accelerate like a sport bike, or perhaps even a modern bike, but neither is it very hard to handle, especially considering its size, IMHO. I find it easy to ride at any speed over 5 MPH. As already mentioned, riding one is the best way to see if it is a fit for you. If you were in my area, I'd let you try out mine.

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I haven't rode the 1500 but most the folks I talk to that went from 1200 to 1500 often say they miss the handling of their 1200. The 1200 is quicker than the 1500 but doesn't have the torque of the 1500. If you are riding two up and pulling a trailer go with the 1500. The 1200 will still do 2 up and pull a trailer but not with as much ease as the 1500. The 1200 handles better than something of that size has a right to. It will feel heavy at low speeds but it isn't hard to handle. It is well planted and stable at about any speed. They will do gravel ok but not great, they have fairly small wheels (16 inch) and it's difficult to see where you are placing the front wheel due to the fairing. But that 16 inch front wheel helps them drop in to corners quickly. the 1500 will scrape pegs fairly quickly as it has a little less clearance that the 1200. The fairing has wonderful protection and extends your riding season if you are in an area that has cold weather. It gets fairly hot in the warmer climates but I use highway pegs to get my legs out from behind the fairing to stay cool. It takes a lot of rain to get you wet behind that fairing. The only other fairing I know that works as well is the BMW RT fairing. I get about 45 mpg running highway speeds on my 1200 and probably average around 42. Most 1500's average around 35 to 37 from what I have read. Maintenance is easy although can be a little time consuming removing the plastic. As said before the stator on the 1200's can be a problem. There is a connector on the 3 wires coming from the stator that gets corroded and cause the stator to burn itself out. Best fix is the poor boy conversion that uses a small car alternator. This also gives you extra watts for running extra lights or heated clothing if ya think you need it.

No reverse on the 1200 and only on a few of the 1500's. The 1200 isn't bad for pushing back into a parking space (that's how I park mine also).

JWhitmore44 said: No reverse on the 1200 and only on a few of the 1500's. The 1200 isn't bad for pushing back into a parking space (that's how I park mine also). Click to expand...

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I'd perhaps look at the Kawasaki Voyager 1200 (not the earlier 1300 - that was a hideous machine). The 1200 looked alot like the 1200-1500 Wings, but from what I've heard, are lighter, and handle better. They come with cruise, stereo, all the usual bigass touring bike bells and whistles, and have hydraulic valves. I've never really heard anything bad about them.

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I put 100,000 mi. on a 95 1500 before selling it and buying a 04 1800. The 1500 is super reliable, Put gas in it and go. Oil changes are simple. Spark plugs are easy to get to. Carb sync is easy and I only needed to do two over the 9 years I owned it. Rear tire changes are a pain if you don't have access to a lift. They have more storage area and are actually more of a plush ride than the 1800. With the cushy ride you also get chassis flex. My advice is get an 1800 if you can swing it. This bike has better brakes, sweet motor, and it rails around corners.

EXCELLENT info - thanks. I had never considered the Venture or the Voyager XII. Any more info on these from owners? I still love the Goldwing though...

BigChris99 Been here awhile

I have a 91 Aspencade with 120,000 miles. Before that I had an 84 1200. The ONLY thing I miss about the 1200 was the gas mileage, I could get well over 40 mpg on the 1200, not so much on the 1500. 6 vs 4 and a lot more weight. I got rid of the 1200 because of the stator issues they had. Never looked back. The 1500 is as reliable as a Honda Accord. I have had no major problems with mine at all. Oil changes are easy too, they make a wrench that fit over the filter so you don't have to remove the lower cowling. Easy Peasy. And its so damn comfortable, it rides sooo good. I know it wont out handle an 1800 Wing, but for a huge bike it handles much better than you would think it could by looking at it. I don't have floorboards on mine, that makes a world of difference. That and Progressive suspension front and rear. It's plenty fast enough, and smooth. If I want to go faster, I ride my Valkyrie. If you like the 1500, find a good clean one that doesn't have alot of crap on, and ride it, you will enjoy it. That and 300,000 miles is doable on one, great bang for the buck.

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I appreciate the info. as well as I am also looking at the 1200 and 1500 Goldwing's and glancing over at the Venture, Voyager and Calvacade. I have limited myself (budget, esthethics and some other issues) down to an 88-92 Goldwing Aspencade, an '85 Limited Edition or '86 SEi (I like the trip computers these come with along with the fuel injection - only F.I. GW's up until the 2000's) or possibly a Venture, Voyager or Calvacade. I'm trying to budget myself somewhere in the $4500 region but prefer to spend less if possible. Another thing I am considering is that the pre-88 GW's are supposedly easier to work on since they don't have all the plastics that were added in '88 so the engine is a little more accessible. Probably a non issue though since these bikes are bulletproof. Anyone have any experience with an '85 Limited Edition or '86 SEi? Curious if the F.I. made any difference or the other options.

I appreciate the info. as well as I am also looking at the 1200 and 1500 Goldwing's and glancing over at the Venture, Voyager and Calvacade. I have limited myself (budget, esthethics and some other issues) down to an 88-92 Goldwing Aspencade, an '85 Limited Edition or '86 SEi (I like the trip computers these come with along with the fuel injection - only F.I. GW's up until the 2000's) or possibly a Venture, Voyager or Calvacade. I'm trying to budget myself somewhere in the $4500 region but prefer to spend less if possible. Another thing I am considering is that the pre-88 GW's are supposedly easier to work on since they don't have all the plastics that were added in '88 so the engine is a little more accessible. Probably a non issue though since these bikes are bulletproof. Anyone have any experience with an '85 Limited Edition or '86 SEi? Curious if the F.I. made any difference or the other options. Even though I joined this thread kind of late, thanks again for everyone's info.

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A couple things come to mind. First, good on you realizing you may need a trike someday soon. I love ours, and I used to swear I'd never ride one!!! Anyway, the Voyager is the only one I have any knowledge of. There is a main bolt, that goes where the center stand bolt goes. You gotta watch that bolt. They break, come loose and strip. There are a ton of them out there with no issues, but there are a number with weld repairs needed to fix a bent bolt/bracket. They are affordable, you don't butcher the wing, and there is a little "lean" in the ride. Something I lost with a full blown trike (Motortrike). Regardless, you will have a blast on a trike! They plow through the turns and can keep up with the best of em. Good luck on your decision, jimsjinx  

For those that have a voyager on a 1500, do you also have an ezsteer or something comparable? Thanks  

Thanks for the info-- I was also, as is owenrn, wondering about the steering situation.  

I would check with your motor vehicle office and insurance company. Someone did so where I live and was told that as it has four wheels on the ground it couldn't be registered as a motorcycle. I have seen a few around here with motorcycle plates but what would happen if they were involved in an accident? In all probability the insurance company would dump them leaving them holding the bag even if they weren't technically at fault in the accident.  

That is not an issue in Pa. The voyager trike conversion kit is a legal conversion. I took my test with my goldwing 1500 with the voyager kit installed. I had let my MC license expire because I had won't rode in years. Insurance company also has no issues with it. I have the bike and the voyager both insured in case it gets totaled both are covered.  

I would stay away from any 'landing gear' style (retractable wheel outriggers). I rode a Wing with them years ago, and IMHO the most dangerous thing you can install on a bike. (I posted details as to why I think this in many threads) Bill  

I agree. Seeing these go down the highway just scares me. Now, for the question I have wondered about for years: Why not a sidecar?? Properly set, they corner like a car, with near zero lift in the corners (the hack has to weigh 1/3 of the bike, That is proper setup). I've driven them for years, set more than a couple up, and cannot for the life of me see any benefit to a trike. A sidecar has more room. A sidecar only tracks two, vs. three wheel tracks for a trike. A sidecar is more stable in turns, owing much to it's wider track. A forward single trike is inherently unstable (see Artie Johnson). Plus, a sidecar can be slid through corners. While a sidecar Can be flipped (I have done it), it takes a degree of stupidity (or alcohol, my mistake) not commonly found in Most humans. A sidecar can be removed, leaving a bike. A trike, if it Can be reversed, takes a bunch more work. Though, to my mind, neither should be setup as convertible; it's one or the other, period. So, I admit my biases, I'm a hacker. Tell me why I shouldn't be. Cosmo  

Having not rode the voyager kit cant comment on the handling.If finances will stretch to a full trike kit they will give a much improved ride quality...Getting a test ride will help in deciding what will work for you.... Try contacting the makers of ezy steer to see if they recommend fitting with the voyager kits...  

randylexus said: .... etc .... Insta Trike from Tow Kit .... etc .... Voyager kit. .... etc .... Click to expand...

Voyager trike kit I have a voyager trike kit on my 93 gold wing. They have their own independent suspension and there are no issues with uneven ground. I love mine. You can unhook from it if you want to ride on 2 wheels. That's what I took my trike test on in Pa. They are considered a trike in Pa. And with my insurance company, progressive, both the bike and the kit are insured.  

Make sure you ride what ever trike you are interested in, have rode a couple they scare me!  

I have the tow pac insta trike kit on both my 1500 and my 1800 and the wife and I like it a lot. The only problems i have had is the bolts do loosen up and you need to keep a check on them. I have thought about using locktite on them but I have not as of yet. Just do a preride inspection along with the other stuff you would check and all is well. I would look around for a used one which would be cheeper than a new one. I found one for my 1800 here in Alabama for less than 2k. Had it painted to match my wing for $200.  

Thanks Bamaeagle!!!!!!!!!!!!!!  

The Voyager trike kit is the only kit that has been tested independently by an engineering firm. Having strain and stress tests done on our frame is the reason we have customers with 400,000+ miles on their Voyager. Just make sure they hook up properly, not to any bag bars or crash bars. See here: http://www.mtcvoyager.com/motorcycle-trike-kit-review-comparison/ We are concerned with the rider's safety and handling. If there is not a proper preload, the handling is much more difficult. If a company refuses to spend time and money to ensure the longevity of the kit under high-stress use, they do not care about the rider. We as a company have to search out the fluff and bring the facts. That's the only way we will continue our 16 year tradition.  

mtcvoyager said: The Voyager trike kit is the only kit that has been tested independently by an engineering firm. Having strain and stress tests done on our frame is the reason we have customers with 400,000+ miles on their Voyager. Just make sure they hook up properly, not to any bag bars or crash bars. See here: http://www.mtcvoyager.com/motorcycle-trike-kit-review-comparison/ We are concerned with the rider's safety and handling. If there is not a proper preload, the handling is much more difficult. If a company refuses to spend time and money to ensure the longevity of the kit under high-stress use, they do not care about the rider. We as a company have to search out the fluff and bring the facts. That's the only way we will continue our 16 year tradition. Click to expand...

I have the voyager trike kit on my 93 goldwing. My wife won't ride on 2 wheels so this was the only way to get her on the bike. I found a used one on Craig's list, bought the hardware kit from voyager and had my local shop install it. LOVE IT. You do have to learn how to drive a trike. That takes a little while but once used to it I wouldn't go back to 2 wheels again. They do ride and handle different. It was a good move on my part.  

Any trike needs 6 degree eazysteer. Put that on your and you can't take the extra wheels off. I'm told 6 degree rake with two wheels is a no no.  

Not every trike needs a 6 degree rake kit! My Wing/Hannigan is fine w/a 4 1/2 degree rake. I tried a 6 and found it to be to "twichy" at speed on the Interstates for me.  

If the pic in his avatar is any indication, it would seem that the op has found his answer. Probably back in 2012.:wink2:  

I would stay away from any 'landing gear' style (retractable wheel outriggers). I rode a Wing with them years ago, and IMHO the most dangerous thing you can install on a bike. (I posted details as to why I think this in many threads) Click to expand...

Any trike needs 6 degree eazysteer. Put that on your and you can't take the extra wheels off. I'm told 6 degree rake with two wheels is a no no. Click to expand...

If the pic in his avatar is any indication, it would seem that the op has found his answer. Probably back in 2012.:wink2: Click to expand...

I do not like trikes... They are a compromise... If I need another wheel on the ground,,, I will get a side-car... they are GREAT... The only reason I do not have one on my GL1500 is I cannot afford one... I may get some flack over this but trikes are ugly looking,,, side cars look very KOOL,,, very functional and I think safer than a trike... When that time comes where I need help,,, I will get a side-car rig or just quit riding...  

Have you driven a trike?? (Not an outrigger type 4 wheeler) Took me about 10 min to ask myself why I waited so long. I don't need one. I like driving one. Go cart on steroids. Much safer than a 2 wheeler.  

I am interested in getting some info on where to buy or see add on trikes. Being 89 years old I hate to say it but I think that is the prucent thing to do. Thanks for any in. Cowboy bob  

Since you live in Tempe, AZ go over and see Mark at D&D Discount Cycles.... he might have a used trike, or he can build you one. * D&D Discount Motorcycles .  

Sellers of the Voyager in Arizona: Arizona Trike Shop 3650 S. Hwy. 69 Humboldt, AZ 86327 Phone: 928-632-8910 http://arizonatrikeshop.com/ http://www.sierracycles.com/  

Yep, no lean is a definite consideration, BUT, with a trike kit, I can still feel the wind on my face, smell the smells, see the unobstructed views of everything... Anything I can do to keep riding, I will do... I'm still on 2 wheels most of the time, but my Tow Pac kit goes on if the wife and I are on a trip somewhere... Makes her feel better and makes me feel better too... Maybe some day I'll even go to a real trike... I have ridden them and like them - just a matter of time with me... BTW, this ol guy just turned 70!! Been riding since my early 20's!!! Les  

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Hey folks first post. I was curious if anyone went from a GL1800 Goldwing to the Voyager and if so how was the difference? I currently ride a GW but I really like the Voyager so not sure to keep my Goldwing or trade for a Voyager. Any thoughts would be appreciated.  

I know there are several on here who have done that or still own both. I did an extensive test ride on a Goldwing before I bought the Voyager. I felt that the Voyager fit me better, sounded better, and looked better. I have almost 14,000 miles on it and no regrets. The Voyager is more of a dining room chair sitting position when sitting upright, whereas the Goldwing was more of a bar stool sitting position.  

I had a 2008 GW and had to sell it a little while ago. I now have a 2010 Voyager and love it. I really liked the power the GW had btu the seating position for me just wasn't comfortable. It was bearable but no true comfort. I didn't care for my feet tucked under me. Now the Voyager is a different story. Granted, it doesn't have the power of a Wing but it has plenty for the purpose. The seating position is just right. Feet out a little. I feel like I sit in the bike versus on it. I'm more than happy with the Voyager. I will say, if Kawasaki had this back when I bought my Wing, I just might have got this instead of the Wing.  

Can I ask a question? I noticed the GW has heat sheilds on both sides because I guess others have complained, but the Voyager doesn't. Does the Voyager have a problem with heat on your legs? Also, is there a problem with buffeting on the Voyager? Is the storage space on the Voyager equal to the GW? Okay, three questions. I'll stop now. Thanks  

BTW, welcome to the site Baldrider!  

Baldrider--I rode Wings for years and owned 2 different 1800 Gold Wings. I also had comfort issues with the Wing. I really can't put my finger on any one thing, but somehow either I didn't fit the bike or it didn't fit me right. In any case, I just couldn't seem to get comfortable. I'd fidget all day long trying to get comfortable. Now, while I don't have a Voyager, I do have a Nomad, and I am very comfortable on it. I thought I'd have a problem with the power and acceleration thing, but it's turned out to be a non-issue. Oh, the Voyager is pretty much a Nomad with a trunk and fairing. I like just having a windshield. Will I ever go back to a Gold Wing? I doubt it, but it's a possibility if I decide I need a trike, but in its current configuration, no, as the ergos are unchanged in the 1800, and the "new" 1012 model hasn't changed in that regard. Hope this helps answer your question. And I've no regrets about making the switch to the Nomad.  

Thanks guys, now I need to decide. The wing is a excellent bike but I also can't get comfortable on it.  

I looked @ both when buying last year and went w/ voyager. The main reason... (dont take personal) wife said its an "old farts bike". Well she did not want me to get another bike after our accident but seeing the voyager she did not disown me too much. I do like the wing as its a pure touring bike, the voyager has a bit of spunk and attitude 1700cc vs 1800cc the power diff is a non issue. The gl1800 series is sportier to capture a younger market as well, along w/ that the engine does not have hydraulic lifters (another item needing service) The GL1800 has smaller luggage then the gl1500 and the 1500 luggage size is about the same as the voyager. The guys I ride w/ have a gl1500 and 1800 the gw is more "refined", butI do hate the built in gps on the wing I also hate the shifter of the wing and love the heel toe on the vn1700 belt vs shaft you decide I had both and I did not really have to have one over the other. in the end both are great bikes and the wing has a long history and brethren and available accessories that the voyager cant match. But get your wing while they are still made in USA, once they clean up the mess in Japan they will most likely move production there as they had planned. I had never noticed any buffeting on my voyager, even @85mph  

If you think the power of the Voyager (1700) can match the power of the Wing (1800) you have never pulled off the line beside one!!!!!!!! I have owned 3 Wings including the 1800 and the comfort issue has always been something I dealt with. Beside Voyager looks like a motorcycle Gold wing looks like a space ship, although they have improved the looks of the 2012 models.  

Honda shifted manufacture of the Gold Wing to Japan last year. There are still some left over '08s, '09's and '10s, to be had, and the prices are being discounted, but the supply is dwindling. The Japan-made 2012 is about to be delivered to the U.S., however they are about $2 grand higher than previous models. Seems the Voyager is, by comparison, a bargain.  

I used to love ribbing my friend about all the non USA parts on his H-D and how a wing is as American made as his HOG. My rice burner vs his tequila burner... He was not amused. ;-)  

GW 104 horsepower and 96 lb./ft of torque (at the tire) Voyager 73.42 HP Torque: 100.31 lb-ft (not sure if at the tire) after tinkering got mine to a bit south of 90hp can't say what the torque is. wing has more ponies vulcan has more grunt. I know the wing got balls, has to pulling 2 up and trailer, etc ridden both like both I prefer the classic look vs the space ship look I ride mostly w/ wingers and we've had our fun, never felt like I was getting trounced (except when backing up I do envy the reverse gear) cant speak to off the line drops. I tend to ride more aggressively then they do and I'm the one usually pulling away when we're having fun on the hwy but that don't mean a whole lot as I'm not a supersport rider by any means. In the end its all good... Hey Patriot Guard rider! Cool, I bought my Voyager from a PG rider.  

Just to be clear on the power comparisons, these are the HP and Torque figures Kawasaki and Honda provide for the Vulcan 1700 and GL 1800 respectively. These are HP and Torque ratings at the crankshaft, not the rear tire where there is generally a 5 to 10 percent loss . Vulcan 1700: 73.4 (HP), 100.3 ft. lb (torque) GL1800: 118 (HP) 125 ft. lb (torque)  

This is from a previous post I made soon after buying my new 2009 Nomad. While it is not a Voyager the bikes are basically the same except for the trunk and fairing and accessories, but I would think much of the same applies. I bought a new Goldwing in 2006 and rode it for three years. It is surely the premiere touring machine, bar none; however, I only "tour" about 2% of the time. The rest of the time I take short trips and long one day rides and don't need a touring bike for these. I much prefer a cruiser. A poor analogy would be to compare a limo to a family car......a limo has more bling and more creature comforts but do you really need them for most of your daily outings? The wing is a huge bike and the trunk, although very accommodating, makes the bike somewhat top heavy, especially when loaded with gear. Walk the beast around a parking lot and you'll see what I mean. Of course you might experience the same with the Voyager since it too has a trunk? My suggestion is that you go to your nearest Honda dealer and knock the Wing off the center kickstand then straddle it putting both feet flat on the floor ....if you can. The Wing's faux gas tank is as wide as a 55 gallon drum and once you wrap your legs around that you then start the descent to the ground. If your inseam is less than 32" or so, I'd say you're likely to find that you can't comfortably reach the ground flat footed. Even with an Ultimate saddle which cuts down the side flairs on the Wings wide seat and sculpts the seat out, I still had concerns when stopping over a small divot in the road or loose gravel, leaves, sticks, etc. I have three friends who had/have Goldwing and all have expressed the same concerns. Now that you've tried flat footing, put the bike back on the center stand and climb aboard. You should pay close attention to your seating position. You likely will become aware that you are sitting bolt upright with your feet behind your knees and that your feet are on pegs, not floorboards. I call it the bar stool position. If you think you can be comfortable in that position for hours on end, go for it; if not, take a longer look at the Voyager! The Voyager's saddle is over an inch closer to the ground and it has a "typical" motorcycle seat which is considerably narrower and v e r y comfortable. Also I had to put risers on the Wing but the Nomad/Voyager's bars are perfect for me. Bottom line, the Voyager embodies the classic cruiser ergonomics of sitting on the seat with feet planted firmly on floorboards, out in front of the knees at a gentle slope, which is in my opinion, a much more comfortable position than the Goldwing's. I predict that the next generation Wing will have a totally different saddle and possibly will be height adjustable. The questionnaire I received from Honda last fall had several "what ifs" questions regarding these items....which led me to believe that they are paying close scrutiny to these issues. The Goldwing will easily win the fuel mileage contest over the Voyager. I rarely got below 38 mpg on the Wing, with regular fuel, and have achieved over 46 mpg more than a few times. I've yet to see even 40 mpg on my Nomad and usually average around 36 mpg, and on premium fuel, and that's with six speeds Vs. five. (I now rarely get less than forty miles per gallon). Finally, for comparison, I don't know your measurements but, I'm 5' 10" tall, weigh about 194 lbs, and have a 30" inseam. I wear a 32" long sleeve shirt. I bought the 2009 Nomad in early November and sold my Wing Thanksgiving day. I have put over two thousand miles on the Nomad and haven't had to do one thing to make it more comfortable. I love the seat and bars and wouldn't change either for a million bucks, something I couldn't say about the Wing. I didn't buy the Voyager for the same reason expressed in paragraph one above. I like being back on a Cruiser! (Almost 13,000 miles on it now and love it even more) There are probably those who will take issue with what I've experienced with the Goldwing, and it is a wonderful bike in many ways, but be advised that one size does not fit all, and the Wing is definitely not the "end all" of motorcycledom. You'll just have to decide for yourself. In any regard, good luck with your choice!  

Hey Malcolm I'm getting about the same mileage as you, still not what a wing gets, darn!  

Bigmacbkr, I agree 100% with your post on the GW as I own one also and for the reasons you mentioned is why I'm thinking about going to a Voyager. I can't get comfortable. I have tried different pegs mounted to the engine guards but still no joy.  

Baldrider if you can get a chance to test ride a Voyager go for it.I owned a 1800 Wing for 4 years and put close tp 100,000 km on it.The only reason i sold it was due to the milage and wanted a fair buck before i put more on it.I really like the O9 Voyager i bought but it's a Cruiser and a vtwin not near the power of the Wing.Backing up the Voyager is a pain as the rear floor boards hit your legs.Dash rattles under accel.Poor radio sound over 90 km even with rear speakers.Just my 02 cents Test ride if you can Bill  

Bill, If you had to do it over would you get the voyager or another wing?  

I would go back to a Wing in a heart beat if the Wing wasn;t so exspensive.I enjoy my Voyager but after riding a smooth Wing for 4 years with tons of power.The Voyager should have a 4 cyl with reverse and a true liquid cooled engine Bill  

I agree, I had a Wing for 7 years. Comparing a Voyager to a Wing is apples and oranges. There really is no comparison. I miss the reverse and lots of power the flat 6 has everywhere and anywhere. The radio was light years better than the Voyager. IMHO the Voyager radio is a POS... it can't even get local stations without interference. I never found the bike uncomfortable with the riding riding position due to the foot pegs. The bike is a 900 lb. sport bike with the ridge 4" frame and low center of gravity from the flat 6 and the fuel tank underneath the rider. It handles turns like it was on rails. My problem with the Wing was my inseam. Too short and too expensive to change on a Goldwing. If I could have lowered the Wing 2" reasonably I would not be on a Voyager.  

I think Kawasaki did a great job on building a bike with this price point. Obviously they wanted to compete in the big V-twin touring market and they did a great job (bang for the buck and all). I find it very funny to see a comment like "it should have a 4 cyl with reverse and a true liquid cooled engine" in other words a "Kawasaki Goldwing"? I have no doubt that if that was what they had intended....it wouldn't be what it is....a very comfortable touring 1700 V-twin....and such a cool ride......just my 2 cents....... btw...I read comments about how bad this radio is?? I don't get it?? Mine works fine and picks up stations great... clear....loud...!! I don't even have the rear speakers yet and I hear they make it even better....  

I get it that Kawasaki was probably looking to enter the big V-Twin touring market when they offered the new Voyager. But it does seem to come up a tad short. It's out-cooled by the HD and out-powered by the Victory Vision. It fills a niche, but it's just not quite "there," IMO. The Kawasaki Voyager XII was a great bike. I had one for several years before becoming a Gold Wing convert. That bike was smooth, had plenty of power, even though it was just 1200cc, and it handled well. For me, anyway, it came up VERRRY short in the seating department. The OEM seat was absolutely horrible. So I got a Corbin seat, which was the only aftermarket seat available at the time for the Voyager XII, and that was worse than the OEM seat. Anyway, after Kawasaki discontinued it several years ago, I thought they were just going to redesign it and produce a more modern fairing design and install a touring-friendly version of their 1400cc mill that's in the C14 Connie. That would have put it squarely in competition with the Gold Wing as well as the BMW touring bike, especially if, in the process, they had included a top notch audio system with CB, as well as standard ABS and reverse. I think (and no disrespect meant to owners of the new Voyager) Makaw just came up a bit short. I think they should have capped the touring cruiser at the Nomad and then gone a different direction when it came to a purpose-built touring bike. Just my humble opinion.  

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1200's were pretty stable. 1100's were a bitch.  

My buddy with a 2011 ultra limited tells me that if you want to feel real heat coming off a bike, just set on his....he just laughs when I tell him how many complaints i've read about the 1700 kaws so called heat problems...so much for out cooled by HD...... Don't know much about the Victory, but as far as the power on my Voyager....what more could you need?? I guess if you need more.....get something else. And as far as a CB on a bike.....easy fix.....buy one and put it on. If Kawaski fell short "IYO" and its not quite there....(another easy fix)...then just go "there" and get the bike that didn't "fall short" in "IYO".....Problem solved...!! The Voyager is a very nice bike...is it perfect?....NO....is any bike?...NO.... Did Kawasaki do a good job on it for the cost?....yep...So I guess what I don't understand is....why would anyone be riding something their so unhappy with or that their gonna spend their time complaining about.....that it isn't enough like a Goldwing...or it isn't enough like a Victory...or a BMW....or a Harley... I just hope you enjoy what ever you end up with....as for me, i'm very very happy with what i've got. Have a nice day and ride safe!  

I have to agree. I will not list them all but of the 24 new bikes I have owned over the years I will tell you that I'm enjoying the 2011 ABS Voyager about as well as any of them. Is it as smooth as my 1996 or my 1999 Voyager XII - NO. Is it as fast or nimble as my 2003 GW -NO. Is it as smooth or fast as my 2009 Venture -NO, Is it as quick, fast and nimble as my 2000 Concourse -NO WAY. But what the heck, they're all different animals. I will tell you, back when Kawasaki first come out with the 1700 V Twin I was disappointed that it was not the 1400 concourse engine. After riding my brothers 2010, I thought that's not bad, and I really love it now. To be honest with you, the GW felt cumbersome and slow after the concourse. I should also mention the GW rattled more than any bike I have owned and the thing dealt me with two kinda severe recalls (cracked frame and a chronic over heating problem). The Venture... great bike. Fun, fast, handled better than the 2006 1600 Nomad that I traded for it but not as good as the 2011 Voyager but it too had it's little flaws ie: carburated motor, and cassette deck, too top heavy. All and all guys, the Voyager is a fine machine but it's not for everyone. I do love it and I'm not ashamed to ride her with my Harley friends (like to) but if any of you find the perfect bike, please let me know so I can get in on all the fun.  

My fellow riders don't get me wrong I think the Voyager is a great bike and would love to have one. I had heart surgery last year and dont want the addition weight, my VTX 1800 is heavy enough.  

! CR123, Glad you are still riding, hope all went well with that ticker thing. btw the VTX is an excellent ride , but it may be headed into obcelesence along with the V2K???? When I searched 2011 Honda bikes the website defaults to the 08 model VTX???? Whats with BIG displacement bikes not selling well???  

Seating position & reverse I have a question on the seating position as I have also been looking at the GL1800/1700Voyager comparisons for a while now as one of these is hopefully going to be my long term retirement bike. Where I presently live other than Harleys, its impossible to get a demo ride of any other bike so trying them is ruled out. I presently ride a BMW R1200GS with upright seating position and its probably the best bike I have ridden so far. Many 600+ kms days on the saddle and at the end of the day the body- namely arms, shoulder, thighs, calf muscles, back etc were fine to easily go another 300-400kms, but the butt was uncomfortable on its stock seat (mainly from sweating). I have only sat on a goldwing, but not ridden it and the seating is somewhat close to my GS, I mean upright. Whereas in the past I have had a chance to do some demo rides of about 50kms each on a Harley Softail Heritage Classic & Nightrod (both with forward controls), but at the end of the ride on both these bikes my lower back (spine) was feeling a lil stressed. Ofcourse the Nightrod in particular was the most uncomfortable bike I have ever ridden in my life. From what I have read in this thread about some inmates saying the seating position is better on the Voyager than GW, can I presume that all of the people who have posted in favor of Voyager do not experience any discomfort or pain in the lower back after a 400 mile ride day? Touchwood, so far I have not had any back problems, but if I still want a Voyager, will a backrest solve the 'potential' lower back problem? Second question: Although standing 6' tall, I know a fully loaded 1200GS itself is a handful to push backwards esp with a small incline. However, today with the exception of the Goldwing, no other brand makes a reversing mechanism for the huge cruisers/full dress tourers. How important do most of you feel this mechanism is? Also we all tend to get older by the year and moving these big machines only gets tougher as age advances- so what are your opinions on this? Thanks Haroon  

Haroon said: I have a question on the seating position as I have also been looking at the GL1800/1700Voyager comparisons for a while now as one of these is hopefully going to be my long term retirement bike. Where I presently live other than Harleys, its impossible to get a demo ride of any other bike so trying them is ruled out. I presently ride a BMW R1200GS with upright seating position and its probably the best bike I have ridden so far. Many 600+ kms days on the saddle and at the end of the day the body- namely arms, shoulder, thighs, calf muscles, back etc were fine to easily go another 300-400kms, but the butt was uncomfortable on its stock seat (mainly from sweating). I have only sat on a goldwing, but not ridden it and the seating is somewhat close to my GS, I mean upright. Whereas in the past I have had a chance to do some demo rides of about 50kms each on a Harley Softail Heritage Classic & Nightrod (both with forward controls), but at the end of the ride on both these bikes my lower back (spine) was feeling a lil stressed. Ofcourse the Nightrod in particular was the most uncomfortable bike I have ever ridden in my life. From what I have read in this thread about some inmates saying the seating position is better on the Voyager than GW, can I presume that all of the people who have posted in favor of Voyager do not experience any discomfort or pain in the lower back after a 400 mile ride day? Touchwood, so far I have not had any back problems, but if I still want a Voyager, will a backrest solve the 'potential' lower back problem? Second question: Although standing 6' tall, I know a fully loaded 1200GS itself is a handful to push backwards esp with a small incline. However, today with the exception of the Goldwing, no other brand makes a reversing mechanism for the huge cruisers/full dress tourers. How important do most of you feel this mechanism is? Also we all tend to get older by the year and moving these big machines only gets tougher as age advances- so what are your opinions on this? Thanks Haroon Click to expand...

The GL1800 Goldwing rider forum with over 29,000 members does not have any significant number of posts/threads that would substantiate any hearsay that the Wing has a systemic reverse problem... it's just not true. The current reverse system has two cables that need to be adjusted periodically as you would a clutch cable and that's about it. I had to adjust mine once in 7 years. Not installing a reverse because it may cause a problem down the road can be applied to just about everything on the bike and is illogical.  

Well, I will defer to your superior logic. I guess my mechanic just didn't like working on Goldwings and was just steering me away. So why do you think no one else has added reverse if it is such a simple system?  

Regarding the GL1800 reverse issue, there really hasn't been a problem with reverse on them. I owned Wings for years and never had an issue with reverse. Yes, the cables need to be adjusted periodically, but that's about it. I rather suspect that the reason you don't see it on other bikes (acually, the BMW K1200LT had reverse as well as an electrically deployed centerstand in the later models) is not so much a difficulty issue as it is an expense issue. It's no doubt costly to engineer and apply. Honda merely designed a touring bike to have everything but the kitchen sink, as the saying goes. If the Gold Wing has a serious issue, it seems to the cruel instrument of torture they refer to as a seat. A whole lot of Gold Wing owners have scrapped the OEM perch for an aftermarket seat. I owned my '05 GW for 5 years and the only thing that went wrong with it was it blew a fork seal, which I had replaced. There were no other issues that came up. The suspension is not the best on the GW. It tends to be harsh and is trash after about 20K miles. Fortunately, there are some very good aftermarket replacements out there that transform the Wing's ride and handling. Spendy, too. Fortunately, for 2012, Honda has (so it says) upgraded the suspension. Hopefully that's the case. I think most GW owners perform their own routine maintenance. Gotta be that way, as a lot of it is very time consuming, therefore expensive. Fortunately it's only time consuming and not difficult to do yourself. Reference the infamous 4-hour air filter change. It's a pain, but not hard, and once you have the tupperware off once, it gets easier and quicker each time you do it. Looking at it the first time it appears daunting, but it's actually not that bad. I haven't had occasion to change the air filter on my '10 Nomad yet, but I suspect that it's about a 10 minute job. JOY!! Still, the GW is a great motorcycle and has a broad, loyal following. Unfortunately, for some of us, like myself, the ergonomics of it don't agree wholly with the aging body. I am really enjoying the riding position of my Nomad.  

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