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In the Heat of the Night – Season 2, Episode 11

A trip upstate, cast & crew.

Carroll O'Connor

William Gillespie

Howard E. Rollins Jr.

Virgil Tibbs

Anne-Marie Johnson

Althea Tibbs

Bubba Skinner

Denise Nicholas

Harriet DeLong

Parker Williams

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A white Southern police chief and a black detective put aside racial animosity to solve crimes in a Mississippi hamlet. This tense drama was inspired by the Oscar-winning 1967 film, which was based on John Ball's 1965 novel. Despite the occasional health-related absences of star Carroll O'Connor (Joe Don Baker and Carl Weathers each briefly filled the chief's chair), the series had a hearty run, premiering on NBC in 1988 before moving to CBS in 1992 for its last two seasons.

Season 2 Episode Guide

21 Episodes 1988 - 1989

Don't Look Back

Sun, Dec 4, 1988 60 mins

Gillespie and Tibbs investigate a young woman's murder that is identical in pattern to a 20-year-old case, and Gillespie is targeted as the next victim. Part 1 of two. Marie: Iman. Luke: Thomas Ian Griffith. Joann St. John: Lois Nettleton. Gillespie: Carroll O'Connor.

Conclusion. Gillespie and Tibbs discover missing pieces in the puzzling murder case involving voodoo rituals, and then invent a plan to draw the murderer out. Marie: Iman. Luke: Thomas Ian Griffith. Joanne St. John: Lois Nettleton. Tibbs: Howard Rollins.

The Family Secret

Tue, Dec 6, 1988 60 mins

Gillespie has trouble accepting the evidence in the murder of a friend and leader, who didn't have an enemy in the world---outside his family. Claudia: Susan Blakely. Bernice: Muriel Moore. Mary Lynn: Suzanne Ventulett. Stuart: Wallace Wilkinson.

The Hammer and the Glove

Tue, Dec 13, 1988 60 mins

Althea holds a secret about Tibbs' former partner, who's only too happy to help out when things go awry in the protection of a Federal witness. Matthew: Michael Warren. McGraw: Hugh Gillin. Mrs. Sherman: Ellen Heard. Henry: Cliff Brand.

Tue, Dec 20, 1988 60 mins

Sweet's first felony bust is a boyhood friend who claims he broke out of a neighboring county jail to escape a brutal sheriff who's an old pal of Gillespie's. Lisa: Shelley Robertson. Randall: Daryl Wilcher. Mrs. Gray: Tonea Stewart. Sweet: Geoffrey Thorne.

Tue, Dec 27, 1988 60 mins

The town's abuzz about Bubba and a big-city writer staying near town to work in quiet---and avoid her ex, who desperately wants her back. Jackie: Barbara Stock. Huell: Ralph Pace. Frank: Peter Thomasson. Tom: Bill Ash. Bubba: Alan Autry.

Tue, Jan 3, 1989 60 mins

Tibbs becomes a stranger after killing a robbery suspect who appeared to have a gun---which was nowhere to be found at the scene. Hannah: Ketty Lester. Jimmy: Afemo Omilami. Albert: De'voreaux White. Frank: Danny Nelson.

Country Mouse, City Mouse

Tue, Jan 10, 1989 60 mins

While the police investigate the death of a paroled robber with a number of enemies, Bubba's nephew and Althea's niece are becoming fast friends. Nicole: Traci Wolfe. Bobby: Mitchell Anderson. Willie: Mickey Jones. Tibbs: Howard Rollins.

Stranger in Town

Tue, Jan 17, 1989 60 mins

A drifter becomes a lifesaver for Joann, but Gillespie thinks the man may have killed a prostitute, although Tibbs is convinced someone else did it. Topaz: Renee Jones. Clay: Eric Pierpoint. Atticus: Maceo Walker. Gillespie: Carroll O'Connor.

Tear Down the Walls

Tue, Jan 31, 1989 60 mins

Not everyone at an all-white church supports the minister when he invites the Tibbses to attend a service. Howard Rollins, Carroll O'Connor. Ed Rowen: Jon DeVries. Claire: Joan Riordan. Harris: Roberts Blossom. Lane: Randall Martin.

A Trip Upstate

Tue, Feb 7, 1989 60 mins

A murderer due to be executed asks to see his arresting officer---Gillespie; Bubba recognizes two murder suspects. George Brownlow: Paul Benjamin. Sheriff Monroe: James Gammon. Melvin: David Dwyer.

A.k.a Kelly Kay

Tue, Feb 14, 1989 60 mins

Joann claims her interest in a prison break exists because one fugitive may be the friend of a friend, but Gillespie senses there's more to it than that. Jude: Kevin Conway. Donna: Bobbi Jo Lathan. Nibby: Tiger Haynes. Gun-Store Clerk: Gil Roper.

These Things Take Time

Tue, Feb 21, 1989 60 mins

Althea lobbies for sex education and child care after a teenage mother is suspected of abandoning her newborn. Shawna: A.J. Johnson. Louise: Rose Weaver. Martin: Czerny Miller. Dan Mackey: Tony Evans. Althea: Anne-Marie Johnson.

Tue, Mar 7, 1989 60 mins

City council demands action after a death results from a series of robbery-assaults on seniors. Calvin Peterson: J.A. Preston. Mrs. White: Pamela Gorman. Andy White: Tony Higgins. Tibbs: Howard Rollins. Gillespie: Carroll O'Connor.

Tue, Mar 14, 1989 60 mins

Flashbacks to an incident in his past provoke strange behavior in Tibbs, who's trying to catch the man who assaulted a woman. Lauren: Caryn West. Phillip Casey: Michael Keys Hall. Jimmy Dawes: Afemo Omilami. Dr. Perry: Edith Ivey.

Sister, Sister

Tue, Mar 21, 1989 60 mins

Sisters clash over their father's will, and the family physician suspects that the man was a victim of foul play. J.D. Sinclaire: Mary Crosby. Charlotte Sinclaire: Judith Chapman. Sidney Wallace: Ric Reitz. Tibbs: Howard Rollins.

Tue, Mar 28, 1989 60 mins

Tibbs and Gillespie are aided by a local prostitute in solving the murders of two men trying to prevent a strike at the Sparta mill. Stiles: O.J. Simpson. Wade Britten: Lonnie Smith. Red Cahill: Fred Covington. Bobby Dobbs: Darnell Williams.

Tue, Apr 4, 1989 60 mins

Bubba is knocked unconscious trying to stop an assault on a woman, who claims she hit him as he was trying to rape her. Audrey: Vanessa Bell Calloway. Frances: Jill Jane Clements. DA Sutton: Christopher Allport. Tim Sherman: Ernest Dixon.

Fifteen, Forever

Tue, Apr 25, 1989 60 mins

Joe Don Baker plays a sheriff who returns to town to retire, and gets involved in a probe of a hit-and-run that killed three cheerleaders and left a fourth in a coma. Nora Womack: Belinda Montgomery. Buddy: Benji Wilhoite. DA Dutton: Christopher Allport.

Ladybug, Ladybug

Tue, May 2, 1989 60 mins

The arrest of an arsonist whose third fire claimed a life is the first task for acting chief Dugan, whose appointment doesn't sit well with Tibbs. Evan Winslow: Leo Geter. Christine Tate: Christopher Templeton. Tibbs: Howard Rollins.

Tue, May 16, 1989 60 mins

The Chief's men pay him a surprise visit only to find his home ransacked, Joann unconscious and the Chief missing. Dugan: Joe Don Baker. Curt Breynard: Trent Bross. Agent Barriman: Joan McMurtrey.

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Do you have any fun trips planned this summer? Do you have any fun trips planned this summer?? Do you have any fun trips planned this summer??? For those of us who do not, in fact, have any fun trips planned this summer, answering the question your acquaintance is asking can be difficult. (I recommend staring back dead-eyed and saying: "Summer is over.")

But there are a lot of good reasons why one might not have any fun trips planned this summer— finances, work, children, health—and that is why the "staycation" was invented. You don’t need to travel to indulge, and you don’t need to leave your home to feel refreshed. Along with other tried-and-true staycation methods (making a fancy dinner, having a movie marathon, forcing your child to play a new game called "mommy’s spa day") adding an interesting scent can take you out of your everyday norm, and make your home feel a bit new. Tons of candle brands offer scents specific to different vacation destinations, which serve to take you somewhere you’ve never been, or help you remember a place you love. Let’s take a look at some of those options and get you ready for the amazing staycation your acquaintance does not want to hear about.

It’s a low-cost trip to Greece

This candle smells much fancier than its price tag would lead you to believe. With notes of citrus, eucalyptus, and leathery sandalwood, it’s as if a cologne’d lemon is picking you up for a date at a restaurant overlooking the Aegean. The scent is a beautiful escape, and you can reuse the cute vessel after burning. (Maybe as a home for your lemon lover?)

It’s a walk through a Korean forest

This diffuser, a pine box containing nine red spheres made from Korean soil, is absolutely stunning and a real conversation piece. The spheres absorb scented oil and release it slowly into your room, while, according to Frama, also purifying the air. There are a few accompanying essential oil scents to choose from, but my favorite is "Deep Forest," which the brand says is "reminiscent of the wild Abies fir woods of Korea." It combines earthy soil with sweet, floral citrus in a way that relaxes and refreshes. A truly unique way to scent your space.

It’s the elegance of Europe (in general)

A friend once brought me back a scent from Santa Maria Novella after she took a trip to Rome, and it felt fancy and luxurious, as if I’d been on a trip to Rome, too, instead of just sitting at my computer having potato chips before unwinding with the Real Housewives for five hours. This Europa diffuser is part of their "continents" collection, which they call "a sensory journey around the Earth." The scent might sound a bit all over the place — bergamot, citrus, florals, and woodiness are all represented — but trust when I say it’s delicate and elegant. Just like the Real Housewives .

It’s a moon-age daydream—oh yeah

For an "out of this world" option (ha-ha) (LOL) (ROFL), look to the most interesting new addition to Assouline’s line of travel candles: "Moon Paradise." I don’t know what the moon smells like and I’m not interested in going to find out (I’ve got enough to do down here), but this scent is cold and peppery, with notes of bamboo and what Assouline calls "moon accord." Burn it while watching 2001: A Space Odyssey with the AC on full blast.

It’s upstate (but not that far upstate)

It’s your staycation, so in my opinion you not only get to pick your faux location, but also your faux season. Maybe this August you’d like to travel to autumn in the Catskills? Take a big whiff of Brooklyn Candle Studio’s fresh and woody "Catskills" scent and let its pine, juniper, and cedar notes help you envision yourself crunching leaves beneath your feet on a hike back toward your rental cabin. You can even make yourself a pumpkin spice latte. I’m not telling. No one’s watching. Go ahead!

It’s nightfall in the Mojave desert

L’Objet’s vessels are always stunning, but this one is really special: as the candle burns, the translucent porcelain allows the flame’s light to break through, illuminating the desert scene’s night sky with a warm glow. So pretty. Plus there’s a little monster in there enjoying his time in the desert; do you see him? The scent is dry and woodsy, with notes of Guaiac wood, juniper, and cinnamon. All around a lovely piece that you don’t even have to go to a desert to enjoy, thank god.

It’s meeting you in Montauk

"Meet me in Montauk." Remember that, from Eternal Sunshine of the Spotless Mind ? If not, maybe you erased it from your memory, ha-ha. (That was a joke referencing the plot of Eternal Sunshine of the Spotless Mind .) Anyway, this candle has nothing to do with that. It has only to do with bringing the scent of a calming sea breeze into your home, and also the scent of cucumber—kind of like a rich cucumber is enjoying a morning surf before heading back to his large beach house to enjoy the breakfast spread his personal cucumber chef prepared. (The chef is also a cucumber, he doesn’t prepare cucumbers—that would be cannibalism.) A refreshing way to bring Montauk to you.

It’s a night in Havana

Bergamot, tobacco, and rum combine in this candle to whisk you away to a hot, boozy night in Havana. I’ve never been to Havana, but I have heard the song by Camila Cabello, and I feel like that combined with this candle pretty much gets me there. (Yes?) It’s delicious and fun, and the perfect scent to enjoy with a mojito.

It’s an overcast day at the beach

L'or de Seraphine wanted their Whitby candle to smell like a gloomy beach day that actually turns out to be quite beautiful. Isn’t that poetic? With notes of sea salt, violet, and vetiver, I’d say they basically reached their goal. The brand also offers Spotify playlists to accompany their candles, to help set the mood. Throw on the playlist, light the candle, and occasionally spray yourself in the face with salt water. Ahh, I love the beach!

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‘The Jinx — Part 2’ Revealed a Twist in the Robert Durst Saga — What’s Next?

Director Andrew Jarecki — who has worked on 'The Jinx' for two decades — talks to The Hollywood Reporter about the finale amid an ongoing civil lawsuit against Durst's widow.

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If the first The Jinx series had released as a binge-watch, everything about the Robert Durst story would be different.

“He would have been in Cuba,” director Andrew Jarecki explains of Durst, while reflecting on the docuseries’ 2015 beginning, during a chat about its 2024 ending.

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“It’s a unique situation, because usually a television show is not intertwined in that way with real life,” Jarecki tells The Hollywood Reporter . “I’m always reminded how great it is that HBO does it week by week. The gradual progression toward the events that happened in episodes five and six of the first part, if all that had happened at once, it would have been so different.”

Now, nine years after that revelatory finale — a moment that true-crime television has been chasing ever since — viewers have been tuning in week to week with anticipation about what Jarecki and the Jinx team had to say with the second part of the story, which comes after Durst’s death in 2022 at age 78. Jarecki hopes the finale makes it clear for anyone who may have wondered why The Jinx was back.

With Durst’s death, his conviction in the Susan Berman murder case was vacated ; he also died before he could be taken to trial for the killing of his first wife, Kathleen Durst McCormack, who disappeared in 1982 and whose body was never found. Now, the only remaining legal avenue for the grieving McCormack family is an ongoing wrongful death lawsuit they filed against Durst’s estate and Debrah Lee Charatan, Durst’s widow who became executor of the estate following his death.

With the ongoing lawsuit, Charatan declined to participate in The Jinx — Part 2 . Below, in a chat with THR , Jarecki reveals his off-camera conversations with Charatan and explains why she still fascinates him — perhaps even enough to keep telling this story.

We spoke when The Jinx — Part 2 was premiering six weeks ago. How has your experience been week to week?

I’ve just been appreciating that people are really absorbing the episodes, and thinking about it for a week. And trying to think what it’s about. Or like you, listening to the podcast and assimilating all that information. There is stuff we’ve been working on for five or seven years with Part 2 , but also other things we’ve been thinking about and trying to fit into the rubric of the show for some 20 years. Just as an example, the whole experience of working with Nick Chavin.

The ending title cards to Part 2 announce that Nick Cavin (Durst’s former best friend who testified against him during Susan Berman’s murder trial) died shortly after you interviewed him.

Do you think he was aware he was declining when speaking to you for Part 2 ?

I think I could tell, and I talked to his wife yesterday and she could tell, that in that last year, he sort of transitioned into this other state of mind. When you see him earlier in the show, he’s full of vinegar, saying, “Bob and I didn’t have that same moral problem with murder and murderers.” Yesterday, his wife, Terri [Chavin], told me Nick really wanted to come off as this tough and irascible naughty boy, and that’s kind of what drew him to Bob. But she said a big part of him was being compassionate. And I think he was vulnerable, like all of the people Bob drew into his orbit. Bob was good at figuring out what you needed and providing it, whether that was friendship or being the advertising guy for the Durst family [as Chavin was]. I think Bob knew that if you found people like that, they were going to come in handy.

You detailed how getting Nick to participate was due to a years-long chain of events, and that makes me think about the rarity of you following this story for as many years as you have: so long that the cameras even are there when you hear that Durst has died. Would you advise other filmmakers to go this in depth and, do you think you could go this deep again?

Sadly, I do. For me, it doesn’t every feel exhausting because it’s always new. If the story were not new, if it wasn’t evolving in really dramatic ways, then we wouldn’t have ended up making it. Someone wrote after the first episode — they didn’t understand where we were going — and they said, “ Part 2 of The Jinx should have been a podcast.” First of all, there is a podcast [ HBO’s The Official Jinx Podcast ]. But second of all, keep watching. It’s such an evolving story.

I actually ran into Debrah twice at the same restaurant. One time I talked to her for three minutes, and the other time I talked to her for 20 minutes. And later, when I reached out to her again and I said, “I think it’s going to be valuable for you and maybe even will give you some kind of closure to participate, and I don’t think you are going to like it if all you are hearing about yourself is from another dozen people who knew you, who worked with you.” And she thought a lot about it, I think. It’s hard to know. She may have just been shining me on. But I think she thought about it. And I ended up having three dinners with her.

So that’s another thing that happens [when you work on a project for so long]. You walk around this neighborhood long enough and you trip over things, and things fall into your path. And that’s only a function of hanging in there. So it’s an enormous amount of work, but it doesn’t feel like work when you are doing it. I don’t think this is just entertainment. It’s entertaining, but I also think it gets to a lot of issues about how human beings are in a way you can’t describe but have to see it happen.

If I hadn’t been talking to Nick Chavin for years and years, I wouldn’t have run into him at [ New York Times writer] Charlie Bagli’s party and he wouldn’t have said, “I really want to be on television.” I interviewed Nick for four days, longer than I interviewed Bob. And then eventually went back to interview him in Florida, and he was in such a different place. He realized that Bob was gone; the spell had worn off. Almost like someone who had been in a cult. When you are in it, you don’t know it.

That’s what’s interesting about Debrah — she still has something to lose. Do you think she only declined an interview because of legal reasons? Was that before the wrongful suit was filed in February 2022? [ Weeks after his sentencing in the Berman case, a  grand jury had indicted Durst  on a second-degree murder charge for killing Kathie. Durst’s death, in January 2022, brought that case to a halt .]

And, from what I understand about how it’s going to play out, there is a reasonable chance there’s going to be a jury trial. If there is a trial [for the McCormacks’ civil lawsuit], I think it’s going to be a jury trial.

And she said, “No chance. There’s no way that’s going to happen.” And her lawyer said, “No chance. There’s just no chance under the law, she’s fine.” And I said, “OK, well if that’s true, then what are you worried about? If, as you said, there’s no chance you’re going to have to succumb to the McCormacks’ lawsuit?”

And this was at the time I had said to her, after all this, “Do you have compassion for the McCormacks? Do you feel sad for them?” And she said, “Yes, I do. I feel bad for them. I have sympathy for them.” So I said, “Then why don’t you be the first Durst to do the right thing by the McCormack family? They don’t need all $100 million, they just need enough money to hold their head up and pay for their kids to go to college. I think it might be considered the better part of valor for you to recognize that your husband [Durst], who you were with since 1986 or 1987, did this and did create this situation.”

Well, the jury said he killed Susan Berman, capital murder. And the reason is because it was a witness killing. The entire trial is there to prove there was a motive for Susan’s death, and the motive was because Susan knew what happened to Kathie, or enough about what happened to Kathie, and that she could tie Bob to Kathie’s murder. And here she is saying, “I accept what the jury said … except the part about the entire motive and the fact that it was a capital murder and that the jury concluded that Bob had killed Kathie .” So, you can tell she’s really stuck.

In that deposition, in the middle of a case against her and the estate about whether she should have to pay for Bob killing Kathie, she can’t use the words, “Yes, I believe he killed Kathie.” So she has to say, “ I accept what the jury said about Susan and I absolutely don’t accept it. ” Her position is untenable, and that’s probably one of the reasons she didn’t want to sit for an interview. She knows I would not have ignored that question.

How did your conversations go when you were informed that she wasn’t going to participate?

Do you agree with her that there’s zero chance for the McCormacks?

No, I don’t agree with her. I think it may take some really thoughtful lawyering. I do think that a jury could be inclined to award the McCormacks damages and find a pathway for getting that money. Because when Debbie says in the deposition that, the way the lawyers have explained it, this has nothing to do with Bob. Well, Bob and his family were clearly the source of the money and it was the lion’s share of Bob’s net worth. When people talked about Bob and said he was a zillionaire, he was. So, the parties are the same, right? Debrah and Bob? Yes. And the money is extremely high? Yes. And the money exists? Yes. And the person who got the money is your good self, so it’s only you and Bob and a pack of money, and you’re telling me that it has nothing to do with you and is somehow part of a different legal entity established years ago? From a human standpoint, it’s a distinction without a difference. From a legal standpoint, she makes a good argument. And I think the magic bullet for the McCormacks, if there is one, lies in the conversations between Bob and Debrah. Because no jury is going to listen to those conversations — as we played them in the show, or listen to those conversations in their entirety — and not hear a cavalcade of obfuscation. It’s a cavalcade of hiding money. It’s all they care about, right?

I remember thinking, “Why is he so intent on keeping the money away from these particularly needy people, when he has helped all of these other needy people?” And I think it’s that there was an indignance about people thinking he was a murderer. It really bothered him. It bothered him when he tried to get into a co-op when he couldn’t. And this goes back to when I talked to him about why he was doing the interview [for The Jinx — Part 1 ]. He felt misunderstood. He felt that people saw him as a killer, and that’s not how he saw himself. It irked him. I think it was the feeling that he had done certain things that he felt were survival.

You think he felt that what happened to Kathie was survival?

He would say that she had changed and had become his enemy, and that she was doing absolutely inexcusable things, like going to his family members and talking about him and his bad behavior: how he don’t get out of bed, that he was stealing money from the Durst organization. She knew those details, because he had talked about it, and she was bringing them to the family saying, “I need you to help me get out of this marriage and you’ll be done with me.” And she got very little sympathy.

You can see from the interviews with the Durst family members [in the finale when they are also deposed] how ineffective they were at helping her. I think they at the very least did nothing and shared none of the information that they knew with the police, but they were also cruel to her and her family. They decided to circle the wagons and leave the family bereft when Kathie disappeared.

So, if you ask Bob what happened, if you could wake him up in the middle of the night and give him sodium thiopental and say, “C’mon, just blurt it out,” I think he would say, “It was impossible with Kathie. She had become totally unreasonable. We were fighting more and more, and the fights were escalating. And at some point, we had a big physical fight and something bad happened. She fell, she hit her head. Whatever happened. It wasn’t me doing it. It was something that happened during a fight.”

But, going back to what I imagine he would say, I think he thinks of that as, “Well, it wasn’t my fault to begin with. But I wasn’t going to ruin my entire life over it. I’m not going to jail because my wife was impossible. And then after that, 18 years later, can you believe after all I’ve done for Susan Berman, she calls me and says, ‘Hey the police are trying to talk to me and, do you think I should talk to them?’ What is that? That’s her manipulating me. She wants to remind me that she was there for me during an important time, she was my bosom buddy. And I looked after her over the years. Even though I just sent her $25,000, that’s not enough” — which, he had sent her that money — “the money and proximity to me isn’t enough. Here, this person, allegedly my most loyal friend, who is actually threatening me.”

It’s not until me and John Lewin [the prosecuting L.A. deputy district attorney] talk to him years later that we tell him Susan had actually not been contacted by the police. She told him that she had, but it wasn’t true. And it washes over him. He was very surprised at that. So Susan Berman was playing a dangerous game. Bob found that disloyal and, again, intolerable. So, I think he would say, “I was just trying to survive. Here’s my best friend doing something horrible to me. So, I had to stop that. I did it with a heavy heart.”

Do you think the Durst family remains untouchable?

Yes, I think the Dursts are largely untouchable. We’ve seen in this country in recent years that the justice system sorta-kinda-sorta works, but if you have an unlimited amount of money, you can just delay everything. Because there’s always an appeal, there’s always a way to push it. The design of the system is such that it doesn’t account for one side of the legal equation having unlimited resources. Perfect example, one of the reasons why everyone was so impressed with the prosecution of Bob Durst is because the L.A. District Attorney’s Office made the decision to spend millions of dollars and throw a room full of people, all those assistants and law clerks, real manpower at it. So, L.A. was able to overcome Bob Durst’s $12 million defense with private lawyers with a bunch of public servants. That’s very unusual. For the most part, if you can throw $12 million at a case — let alone $100 million or amounts that big corporations or political candidates throw at things — you really can gum up the system. You can really slow it down, confuse it. And no one is really prepared for that.

Ultimately, if the wealth gap is big enough and if it’s that hard for a regular person like Kathie McCormack to get justice, someone can delay it for 40 years and in fact, a group of people can delay it.

So as Liz McCormack says, they knew. That line really struck me. She says, “People talk about how after Kathie disappeared, the Durst family didn’t do anything. What about before she disappeared? They knew.” They said they knew he was violent, Douglas says he knew [Bob] was violent since he was 4. So Douglas, Wendy, Tom, Seymore [Durst] know that Bob’s wife is being treated with violence and they do nothing about it. So, the family can’t even reconcile it. I don’t know if the Dursts know that they were complicit in that way. I certainly don’t think they see themselves as complicit. Now, is it possible they could have a Nick Chavin-style epiphany? You see a hint of it with Wendy. She says, “If I knew then what I know now, I was a dumb kid.” Well, she was in her mid-30s. You get to your mid-30s and you are a well-educated, wealthy New Yorker — you’re not a child anymore. It was a diffusion of responsibility from people who should have known better.

You open the finale with Durst’s conviction being vacated, because it didn’t go through the appeals process before his death. To your point about unlimited resources and how this lawsuit can be delayed, if the legal system doesn’t arrive at accountability, what are your hopes with this Part 2 ending?

In our prior chat , you said this was a good place to stop telling this story, but there could always be something that develops that makes you fire your cameras back up. In the past six weeks, have you filmed anything and is there more to explore here?

I’m definitely not there yet. I do think there are places this story could go that would interest me. I still am fascinated by a person like Debrah. If you watch the opening titles, there’s that spider flowing through the title sequence. She’s interested me a lot through this whole thing. She’s a unique, shadowy figure who has chosen to keep herself out of the spotlight. I also think the Durst family are so insulated by the enormous amount of money they have — they really accumulated billions and billions of dollars, and one of the ways they’ve done it is by keeping a very low profile — so I think they’re equally fascinating, but very hard to pin down. So all of this stuff interests me. I have no plan to do anything with it, but would I be totally surprised to find my interest piqued with some of them? They’re really interesting.

Part 2 ends on a re-creation of Debrah Lee Charatan in her spacious home. Did you scale that after her house?

Yeah, her real house is similarly large and extremely expensive. Her house in the Hamptons that she’s talking to Bob about — when he asks how much they could get for it and she says, “Eh, 20.” That was years ago. That’s oceanfront property in Bridgehampton. Her life out there is opulent.

In her deposition, she says, to paraphrase, there’s nothing Durst could have done to make her leave and that in the end, it all has been worth it. Do you anticipate you will hear from her after this?

What would she say?

Under other circumstances, that she was misunderstood and wants to tell her story. I don’t think, however, that applies here.

How in touch are you with the McCormack family and what is the status with the lawsuit? You said you think it will go to jury trial. Do you think soon?

I don’t know exactly what the timing is, but I try to stay in touch with all of them.

She did try to make a deal with me. At one point she said, “I know things that you don’t know. You know more about this story than anyone else in the world, except me. And I have a lot of things I could tell you, if you agree that I won’t appear in the show.” And I said, “I just want to be direct with you. There is no version of this show that doesn’t include you. So, there is no deal to be made. I wouldn’t do that. The film is going to work one way or the other.”

She’s a dealmaker, a negotiator. But it wasn’t something that was available. I think she’s done an amazing job staying out of the spotlight. And I do have some compassion for her. I understand she had a tough childhood and a tough time. I don’t think it was easy to be her. But there are pathways to success that don’t necessarily include a lot of the choices that she made.

The Jinx — Part 2 is now streaming on Max.

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LAS VEGAS -- The Indiana Fever finished its first West Coast road trip of the season with a loss to the Las Vegas Aces, 99-80 , at Michelob Ultra Arena on Saturday. It was the Fever's third game in four days and second of a back-to-back.

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Caitlin Clark faces off against best friend, former teammate

For the first time in years, Caitlin Clark and Kate Martin were on different sides of the ball. The two were in the starting lineup for four years at Iowa with two consecutive national championship appearances before they were both picked in the WNBA draft: Clark first, Martin 18th.

"She's the ultimate teammate, the ultimate person, ultimate leader," Clark said of Martin before the game on Saturday. "She's going to do whatever she can for her team, just a super unselfish person ... she has a personality about her, and she was my teammate, but also one of my best friends. So, I've been lucky."

Clark and Martin came into the game together near the end of the first quarter -- Martin checking in for the first time, while Clark was retuning from a short rest period. In their first play on opposite sides of the ball, they fought for a rebound; Clark won.

Martin guarded Clark, and vice versa, in moments throughout the game, and there were multiple times were the Aces rookie grabbed her former teammate's rebound.

Temi Fagbenle enters starting lineup

Christie Sides made a coach's decision lineup change for the second straight game, putting Temi Fagbenle into the starting up over third-year starter NaLyssa Smith.

Smith had been struggling on the defensive end of the ball in the Fever's past couple games, and Fagbenle proved herself as a tenacious defender and a spark of energy — something Indiana needed on the second day of a back-to-back against the defending champion Las Vegas Aces.

Fagbenle had already taken some of Smith's minutes. On Friday night, she played over 30 minutes with 17 points in the Fever's win over Los Angeles. Smith played 14.

Saturday, Sides just made it official. Fagbenle played 26 minutes for 13 points and eight rebounds against the Aces, marking her first start for the Fever. Smith was the first player off the bench, and she played 18 minutes for eight points and six rebounds.

Fever's strong start fizzles out

In the first quarter, Indiana didn't look like a team that was on the second day of a back-to-back. The Fever looked like a team that could contend with the defending national champions.

The Fever dominated the lane in the first quarter with 16 paint points on their way to a 28-24 lead — their first 1Q lead this season. After that, though, the Fever's offense fizzled out. While the Fever got up by as many as six points at the beginning of the second quarter, the Aces went on a 20-6 run throughout the rest of the quarter to reclaim the lead.

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Along with the Aces having a more experienced, veteran team, the odds were stacked against the Fever.

Indiana ended up pulling most of its starters by the four-minute mark of the fourth quarter, and Fever rookie Celeste Taylor entered the game for the first minutes of her career. Victaria Saxton also got into a game for the first time this season.

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Daniel Gene Crapps, 28, was charged with domestic violence of a high and aggravated nature, and possession of a weapon during a violent crime, according to arrest warrants.

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After a deadly heat wave last summer, metro Phoenix is changing tactics

Phoenix — Terrified of being assaulted in a shelter, Pearl Marion couch surfed with family members and friends during last year's blistering summer so she didn't have to sleep outdoors.

This year, the 65-year-old woman plans to spend Phoenix's dangerously hot summer nights in a former cafeteria at the city's main library, sleeping in a chair, her head on a table. There's cool air, chilled water and security guards to keep anyone from stealing her bus pass.

“I love this place,” Marion said in the space where a half-dozen other people napped and charged their phones. New arrivals were asked if they needed help with housing, substance abuse or air conditioning repair.

It's one of two overnight spaces that opened in early May after Maricopa County saw a staggering 645 heat-related deaths last year, about 50% more than the 425 confirmed for 2022.

Arizona Gov. Katie Hobbs declared a state of emergency in 2023 after metro Phoenix experienced a 31-day streak of temperatures reaching at least 110 degrees Fahrenheit (43.3 degrees Celsius). The high in Phoenix has already hit 100 F (37.7 C) several times this year.

“People need cooling centers to be open longer and on weekends," said Dr. Rebecca Sunenshine, Maricopa County Department of Public Health medical director. “The other important piece we learned is that people need help finding cooling centers and other heat relief resources.”

Record deaths

The record deaths came as Maricopa County led the United States in  growth  amid a housing crisis that saw higher rents and increased evictions. As the homelessness population swelled last year to over 9,600 countywide, climate change pushed temperatures higher.

Maricopa County's first heat-related death of 2023 was recorded on April 11 when 42-year-old Crystal Gradilla was found in a tent in a desert area as the high hit 99 F (37.2 C).

By mid-summer 2023, the county medical examiner's office reported that body storage was near capacity and put 10 refrigeration trucks on standby. While the extra storage wasn’t necessary, it was clear more had to be done, especially to protect the homeless people accounting for 45% of the deaths in Arizona’s most populous county.

This year, no heat-related deaths were reported in Maricopa County for 2024 through April.

Working to do better

This year, Phoenix, Maricopa County and Arizona officials are working to protect people better.

Arizona has a new heat officer — Dr. Eugene Livar, the first such position in the U.S. — to carry out the governor's  extreme heat preparedness plan . Phoenix appointed the nation’s first city heat officer in 2021.

At least two cooling spaces in metro Phoenix will operate overnight, and others have extended hours, including on some weekend days.

A call center with 30 bilingual community health workers is tasked with helping people find the centers, pay electricity bills and repair home cooling units.

In past years, the 170 cooling  centers  scattered around metro Phoenix from May to October typically closed when the business day ended at 5 p.m. as high temperatures hit.

Arizona  has solar-powered mobile units fashioned from shipping containers to be moved where needed.

Protecting homeless people

Officials and health professionals hope fewer homeless people will die this summer after a court order forced the city to clear a downtown Phoenix encampment known as “The Zone” where up to 1,200 people massed under the blazing sun.

Hundreds went to shelters or found housing. About 150 people relocated with their tents to a nearby structured campground on a lot the city purchased.

People staying there are searched by security guards for drugs, alcohol and weapons. There are restrooms, showers and an air conditioned warehouse where up to 200 people can eat meals and escape the heat.

Hundreds more shelter beds gradually have been added in metro Phoenix in recent years. A main downtown campus hosts shelters with more than 900 beds. St. Vincent de Paul is completing a longer-term, 100-bed shelter nearby for older adults, military veterans and disabled people that will open this summer.

Maricopa County's annual count of homeless people in January showed a population slightly smaller than the previous year, with well over half now sleeping in shelters.

Elsewhere in Arizona

While Phoenix is known for its heat, some Arizona communities get even hotter.

The state's high of 128 F (53.3 C) was recorded on June 29, 1994, in Lake Havasu City. In southwestern Yuma County, Dario Mendoza, a 26-year-old farmworker died July 20 after he collapsed in a field as the high hit 116 F (46.6 C).

Last year in Pima County, home to Arizona’s second-most populous city of Tucson, there were 176 heat-related deaths and another 51 such deaths in the five additional rural counties that the medical examiner handles.

Dr. Greg Hess, Pima County's chief medical examiner, said his office can better track and categorize heat-related deaths after hiring an epidemiologist and adding a new online dashboard.

Hess said following and publicizing heat-related deaths can spark change, just as tracking fatal overdoses launched the fight against the opioid crisis.

“Investigating heat deaths has to be intentional,” he said.